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John and Jane Morgan marriage (White Lion, Talybont innkeepers)?
« on: Wednesday 06 April 16 15:30 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I'm struggling to find the marriage record of these two ancestors of mine.

According to the 1871 John was born in Cardiganshire in 1825. Jane is recorded as born in 1836 in Trewen, Denbighshire, Wales but this is recorded as Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant in the 1881 census.

Regarding my family tree I believe Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant to be an important place, so if it is that area it would help me with other avenues of research.

Again according to the 1871 census, seven of their children were born in Llanfihangel-Geneu'r-y-Glyn. However Mary who appears to be their first child is recorded as born in Pen-y-Bont, Montgomeryshire in 1855. Three more appear on the 1881 census.

Their daughter Adelaide Morgan is my gg grandmother and she married into a family from the Llanfyllin area whose family tree is quite detailed and well researched. It doesn't seem logical that the Mary above would be born in Penybont, Montgomeryshire thus I'm wondering if perhaps this may refer to penybontfawr where Adelaide's father in law Rev. Owen Evans (b 1829) was born and which is very close to Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant. Obviously I'm eager to know what Jane's maiden name is as this would greatly help with my research.
http://yba.llgc.org.uk/en/s-EVAN-OWE-1829.html

Census information is also available on the Ceredigion Council website (link below)
https://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=11951

Lastly I wasn't sure what section of the website to pose this question as Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant seems to come under both Montgomeryshire and Denbighshire.

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Re: John and Jane Morgan marriage (White Lion, Talybont innkeepers)?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 06 April 16 16:02 BST (UK) »
Do you have Jane's maiden name  :-\
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Re: John and Jane Morgan marriage (White Lion, Talybont innkeepers)?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 April 16 16:04 BST (UK) »
birth certificate for Adelaide would confirm Jane's maiden name. Finding the marriage without would be guesswork.

Adelaide Morgan dec qtr 1857 Aberystwyth vol 11a pg 64
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: John and Jane Morgan marriage (White Lion, Talybont innkeepers)?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 April 16 16:06 BST (UK) »
Ah - I see you altered your post from 
Obviously I'm eager to know what her maiden name is as this would greatly help with my research.

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Re: John and Jane Morgan marriage (White Lion, Talybont innkeepers)?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 April 16 16:07 BST (UK) »
Ah yes you're right I should just get hold of the birth certificate.

I am too thrifty a family history researcher for own good sometimes. That should have been obvious. I'll get hold of it.

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Re: John and Jane Morgan marriage (White Lion, Talybont innkeepers)?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 April 16 16:09 BST (UK) »
Ah - I see you altered your post from 
Obviously I'm eager to know what her maiden name is as this would greatly help with my research.

Yes I realised at the last moment that the way I wrote that it would be possinlble to confuse the request as one for Adelaide's.

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Re: John and Jane Morgan marriage (White Lion, Talybont innkeepers)?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 April 16 19:10 BST (UK) »
The Trewern refereed to as Jane's place of birth in the 1871 census is next to Llanrhaiadr-yn-Mochnant directly to the East according to this map

http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/;jsessionid=CBE4780578D19EF2553DAF85536EFB7E?layer=europe&xMin=3137033.66741&yMin=2965121.78782&xMax=3139833.66741&yMax=2967921.78782

Still confused over the Penybont birth location of her child Mary. There is a Penybont just south of Talybont that I didn't notice but Montgomeryshire was clearly given in the 1871 census not Cardiganshire.

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Re: John and Jane Morgan marriage (White Lion, Talybont innkeepers)?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 09 November 16 12:50 GMT (UK) »
birth certificate for Adelaide would confirm Jane's maiden name. Finding the marriage without would be guesswork.

Adelaide Morgan dec qtr 1857 Aberystwyth vol 11a pg 64

Turns out her mother's maiden name is Evans.

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:    Order:
MORGAN, ADELAIDE       EVANS     Order
GRO Reference: 1857  D Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 64