Ramsey's in West Ham/Plaistow & Stepney - 1800's

[suzard]

and in 1871
14 Golburn Rd
Kensington
William Ramsey head M 32 Kempsford Gloucester
Harriett wife 34 kempsford
Lancelot son 4 Kempsford
Ernest son 8mths Middlesex
RG10 47 65 48
Suz

[suzard]

This might just be a coincidence, as there are a few Arthur and George Tuckers about.   And neither of the Ramsey boys mention Kentish Town

1891  West Ham  New Barn Street


Amongst others are:

William Ramsey  head  52  railway wagon inspector Glos.
Sarah  wife  38  London
7 children
Charles H Tucker step-son  16  Kentish Town
Arthur J        "         "          14    "
George W      "         "          12     "

Good find - looks like this is the correct family

I'll post the full census and reference (we are supposed to do our own transcriptions & give reference (copyright issues)

189154 New barn St Plaistow W Ham
William H Ramsey Head M 52 Railway Wagon Inspector Gloucestershire
Sarah J wife 38 London
Launcelott Ramsey son S 24 Railway Shunter Gloucester
Ernest Ramsey son S 20 Gas works Westbourne Park
William H Ramsey son 16 tates sugar refinery Westbourne Park
Rosetta M Ramsey daughter 14 Westbourne Park
Amy G Ramsey daughter 9 Plaistow
Frank A Ramsy son 9 Plaistow
Mark H Ramsey son 2 Plaistow
Charles H Tucker stepson 16 Tates sugar refinery Westbourne Park
Arthur J Tucker stepson 14 kentish town
George William Tucker step son 12 Kentish Town
RG12 1323 30 53

1901
William Ramsey head widower 62 Railway Examiner Gloucester
Amy Ramsey daughter 19 Waitress West Ham
Mark Ramsey son 12 West Ham
Phoebe Ramset daughter 8 West ham
Charles Tucker S son 27 General lab Kentish Town
RG13 1577 67 10

looks like William's death reg
Mar qtr 1911 W ham age 73 4a 166

Suz

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I have encountered a situation similar to this previously
a 2x great uncle of mine was illegit and Mum married a few years later and on census uncle appears using Mum's married name
We thought uncle had not married as we could not find a marriage reg for him and his "wife" but they used their Mum's married name -and their children carried on this name
until researching we did not know uncle was illegit
We found marriage cert in his birth name (mother's maiden name ) -when we sent for the certificate there was a note on it - 3 months after their marriage they had gone to court and had uncles name changed to Mum's married name !!!
Something similar may have happened here

Suz

[RamRod78]

Thanks everyone for the leads 

Sometimes it just helps to have a fresh set of eyes look at it eh? 

I will go and pull the census records and build this in Ancestry to see if this all ties up.

Thanks again!!
Iain

[RamRod78]

Well I found the marriage:

5 JUN 1881 - Old St Pancras, Middlesex

William Ramsey, Full Age, Widower, Servant
Sarah Jane Tucker, Full Age, Spinster

Both Fathers listed as dead.

[RamRod78]

I have added everything here to a test tree in Ancestry and it indeed points to being the right family.

Will get GW Tucker's birth certificate ordered, and see if I can confirm Arthur J Ramsey/Tucker to be the same person.

Thank you all so much for the fresh look as this has been stumping me for a while!

[RamRod78]

There's an Arthur J. Ramsey b.1876/78 Bow/lPlaistow, living in West Ham with wife, Eliza, in 1901 and 1911.

Haven't been able to connect him to George William yet though

I found a WWI pension record for Arthur J, listing Eliza and all the children found in the 1911 census.  While the census is under "Ramsey", the pension record lists them all as "Tucker".

So I think that just about confirms the link.....

Again, thank you all so much.