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JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« on: Tuesday 12 April 16 14:01 BST (UK) »
Please help me, I'm looking for info on JOHN NICOL he was the husband of ANN MCDONALD and the father of WILLIAM NICOL.

I can't find a definite birth and death for JOHN NICOL. I know that he was a grocer as it's stated on Ann McDonald's death cert and also on his son Williams death cert. ANN passed away 1879 BAROSSA STREET PERTH, and John was deceased. JOHN and ANN married 1807 TIBBERMORE PERTH.

I've found a grave stone in Perth for a JOHN NICOL dated 1849, this John was a grocer and was 62y at age of death, address given as SOUTH STREET, I THINK this is him, that would give a birth of around 1787 if it's correct BUT I can't find this death on ScotlandsPeople??

I've found a couple of entries for a JOHN NICOL b 1787 and as I can't find a death cert I have no idea of parents names or anything like that. There was a John b dron 1847 to a WILLIAM NICOL, is this him? I'm not sure which avenue to take next in trying to find John Nicols parents,
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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 April 16 14:37 BST (UK) »
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JOHN and ANN married 1807 TIBBERMORE PERTH.

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I've found a grave stone in Perth for a JOHN NICOL dated 1849, this John was a grocer and was 62y at age of death, address given as SOUTH STREET, I THINK this is him,

Did you not check the 1841 census as address is South St on that census and John was 50 and Ann 55?  Is Ann a widow in 1851?

If she is - then you have the right grave
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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 April 16 14:44 BST (UK) »
Hello CaroleW :)

No I haven't, if I'm honest I don't actually know how to check census records! BUT, somebody has told me that the 1841 Freecen has John Nicol 50 Grocer + Ann Nicol 55 in South Street Perth.

Likely candidates?

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 April 16 14:44 BST (UK) »
Scotlands People has 3 death matches for the name John Nicol between 1841-1851 in Perthshire including one in 1847 - could you have misread 1847 as 1849?
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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 April 16 14:45 BST (UK) »
Sorry ignore my last reply, I read your post wrong. Apologies :)
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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 April 16 14:47 BST (UK) »
Deaths before 1855 do not include parents names

See this info from SP

http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/Content/Help/index.aspx?r=554&1353
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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 12 April 16 14:53 BST (UK) »
Yes I know that as I've bought pre 1855 certs before! It's so annoying as they are vague on info :D
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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 April 16 15:11 BST (UK) »
I have a pic of the details saved to my computer :)

It reads as follows...

JOHN NICOL
SOUTH STREET
GROCER
23 JULY 1849 (death date)
62y
26 JULY 1849 (burial date)
INFLAMATION OF LUNGS
GREYFRIARS
LARGE PLAIN COFFIN, COST 3/6d

Perhaps the date is wrong on the website? You can't actually see the headstone itself I don't think, just the details?

Molly

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 12 April 16 15:28 BST (UK) »
1837-38 Perth Directory
Nicol, John, grocer, 133 South street—house, 129
Nicol, John, grocer, 178 South street—house, 176

1845-46 Perth Directory

Nicol, James, grocer, 133 South street
Nicol, John, grocer, 178 South street

1848-49 Perth Directory

Nicol, John, grocer, 178 South Street—house, 176

1850-51 Perth Directory
Nicol, John, grocer, 73 North Methven Street
Nicol, Mrs John, grocer, 178 South Street—house, 176

I’m guessing that John has died and Mrs Nicol is continuing the business.
The other John perhaps a relative?
Lawrie name in Fife (and elsewhere) with all its various spellings.