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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 13 April 16 15:10 BST (UK) »
Ann Nicol  77  Mother-in-Law b Schberman? Perthshire.

 ;D Probably Tibbermore?

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 13 April 16 15:20 BST (UK) »
Can you list all the names of the children of John please in order of birth to try & discount possible theories?

Ah....must have missed this....

WILLIAM 1808
ALEXANDER 1811
MARGARET 1815
CHARLES MCDONALD 1817
JAMES 1820
JOHN 1829
MARY 1831
ROBERT 1834
JANE 1836

Looks like father of John most likely to be "a" William ???

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 13 April 16 15:42 BST (UK) »
From the transcription I've seen it is the Clark family , Ann's birthplace given as Tibbermuir.



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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 13 April 16 16:38 BST (UK) »
Yes I BELIEVE that William was John and Ann's eldest. I have thought about the naming pattern myself, I think I listed a possible candidate with a William as a father. Possibly born DRON?

And I also believe that ANN MCDONALD was born in TIBBERMORE like you say. On her death cert her parents are named as DONALD MCDONALD and WAINWOOD MCDONALD but on the marriage cert to John in TIBBERMORE her dad is named as DANIEL MACDONALD. Also, John nicoll is noted as being a WEAVER again :)

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 13 April 16 16:55 BST (UK) »
And I also believe that ANN MCDONALD was born in TIBBERMORE like you say. On her death cert her parents are named as DONALD MCDONALD and WAINWOOD MCDONALD but on the marriage cert to John in TIBBERMORE her dad is named as DANIEL MACDONALD. Also, John nicoll is noted as being a WEAVER again :)

Molly

Depending who was taking the details the name Donald sometimes in highland Perthshire & beyond would be uttered as Donal/Danal (with the accent)....sounding like Daniel & this also happened with people named Donald who emigrated from the Highlands.

I would say this is the same person with different pronunciations.

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 13 April 16 17:14 BST (UK) »
From the transcription I've seen it is the Clark family , Ann's birthplace given as Tibbermuir.
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Ev,

From this there are a few spellings for the same place before actual spellings of today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibbermore

http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/place/16346

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 13 April 16 17:58 BST (UK) »
This is good for navigating areas & it's readable....left click & move

http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/ordnance-survey-map-series/list/os25inch/perthshire/tibbermore

Annie
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 13 April 16 19:11 BST (UK) »
On one of the marriage certs 1807 perth between JOHN NICOLL and ANN MACDONALD, Ann is noted as being from TOFTHOUSES TIBBERMUIR :)

Also, their son WILLIAM married MARY BALLINGALL, now I can't find any other children other than MARGARET NICOL b 1843 ORWELL.

BUT, there is a family on the 1851 census, a WILLIAM NICOL with wife MARY about 5 kids, one named MARGARET all living in KINROSS and this WILLIAMS place of birth is said to be DRORE, PERTH. Now is this DRON? Could this mean that JOHN named his eldest son WILLIAM after his father? Meaning he is the JOHN NICOL born 1787 DRON son of a WILLIAM NICOL?

Molly :)

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 13 April 16 20:17 BST (UK) »
Here are some details I jotted down re. John Nicol and family
John Nicol was born about 1787, in Perthshire (burial record, Greyfriars, Perth).
John died on July 23, 1849, in Perth, Perthshire, at the age of 58, and was buried three days later at Greyfriars .
John Nicol married Ann MacDonald on December 11, 1807, in Tibbermore, Perthshire.
John Nicol was a grocer in Perth.

John and wife Ann lived in Perth and had 11 children in 28 years.
William:  Birth 23 Dec 1808 Baptism25 Dec 1808 • Perth, Perthshire Scotland;
Alexander: Birth 15 September 1811; Baptism 29 Sept 1811 • Perth Perthshire Scotland
Charles Macdonald: Birth 30 May 1817; Baptism 08 Jun 1817 • Perth,Perthshire ,Scotland. On 1851 census, Perth as shipmaster.
James: Birth 18 May 1820; Baptism28 May 1820 • Perth, Perthshire Scotland
Wainwood (f): Birth 30 Nov 1826; Baptism 10 Dec 1826  • Perth, Perthshire, Scotland. May be the “Ann” in 1841 census living with arents at South St, Perth.
Ann: Birth About 1828 • Perth, Perthshire ?(acc to 1841 census, South Street, Perth)
John: Birth 10 May 1829; Baptism 17 May 1829 • Perth Perthshire, Scotland. On later census as grocer, Perth, 73 N Methven St.
Mary: Birth 7 August 1831; Baptism 14 Aug 1831 • Perth Perthshire, Scotland
Robert: Birth 7 Feb 1834; Baptism 16 Feb 1834 1831 • Perth Perthshire, Scotland
Jane : Birth 27 Aug 1836; Baptism 11 Sep 1836 • Perth Perthshire, Scotland

Censes
John Nicol : 1841census: male, b Perthshire 1791, grocer. + Ann Macdonald, son John, daughters Ann(?), Mary and Jean. John Nicol lived at South Street, Perth. Piece: SCT1841/387 Place: Perth Enumeration District: 3 Civil Parish: Perth West Church Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Perth West ChurchFolio: 0 Page: 22. 1845 Perth directory: John Nicol, grocer, 178 South Street, house 178.
Charles Macdonald Nicol son of Ann Macdonald and John Nicol is mentioned in a Perth directory as being a seaman, at 246 High Street Perth. 1851 : Parish: Perth; ED: 7A; Page: 11;Household schedule 52;  Line: 7; Roll: CSSCT1851_80; Year: 1851. Address 126 High Street Perth Perthshire. Occupation: Ship Master. Head of house. Age 32 b Perth, 1815. Married to Margaret (Marjory Nicolson – marriage 28 Mar 1845 • Perth,Perthshire ,Scotland) age 30, b Perth, son Robert age 2. 1861 – in England -  ship master b Perthshire 1817. : Civil parish Vessels; TownNewcastle; County/Island; Northumberland; Country England; Registration district Anglesey; Sub-registration district Holyhead ;ED, institution, or vessel: Gleam
DUFFUS of Edinburgh, Scotland/Murray/Coulter/Anderson/Cauvin/McGillivray/Carstairs
FALLEN, /Dunbartonshire & Partick /Cherry/Main/Gallacher
SCOTT of Gladsmuir/Pencaitland East Lothian
STEVEN of  Caithness, Edinburgh, Scotland/Campbell/Calder/McManus/Waugh/Hoy/Cadzian
McKENZIE of Glenisla, Forfarshire/Farquharson/Robertson/Jack/McNicol/Tosh