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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #63 on: Sunday 15 May 16 09:01 BST (UK) »
Hello Annie,

Yes, this is what I thought :) I can't seem to find them on any other census records though?

Molly

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #64 on: Sunday 15 May 16 11:21 BST (UK) »
Hello,
     Thanks to Annie's post I found these Census Returns & wondered if they could be 'your' family with the Nicol/Ballingall names.
       1841. Windy Walls, Orwell, Kinross. (Lovely name!)
     William  Nicol    30  b Outwith Kinross-shire. M.S. (Male Servant)
     Mary        "      29  b     "            "
     John        "        8  b  Kinross.
     James      "        6  b      "
     William     "        4  b      "
     Margaret   "        1  b      "
     James Ballingall 30  b  Outwith Kinross-shire. Game Keeper.

       1851. Hatchbank, Kinross, Kinross-shire.
     William  Nicol  42  b  Drore, Perthshire. (Dron?) Farm Servant.
     Mary        "    43  b     "           "
     William     "    14  b  Orwell, Kinross-shire.
     Margaret   "      9  b     "          "
     Charles     "      8  b     "           "
     Daviel      "      5  b     "           "     (Transcription Error for David)

       1861. Craigomill, Orwell, Kinross-shire.
     William  Nicol   51  b  Perth, Perthshire. Ploughman.
     Mary Ballingall 53  b  Dron,        "
     David  Nicol    15  b  Orwell, Kinross-shire. Ap Labr (Ag Lab)
       
       Mary Nicol/Ballingall died 1867 at Kinross, Kinross-shire age 60yrs. (SP)
       William Nicol & Jean Kay married 1868 at Kinross. (SP)

       1871. High St, Kinross.
     William  Nichol   59  b  Perth, Perthshire. Labourer.
     Jean Kay   "       35  b  Kinross, Kinross-shire.
     Robert Nichol 16mon b      "          "

       1881. Main St, Kinross.
     William  Nicoll  73  b  Perth. General Labourer.
     Jean        "     43  b  Kinross.
     Robert      "     11  b     "
     Elizabeth  "       3  b     "

     Jean & Elizabeth are on their own at Kinross 1891 & 1901. 
     SP has a death for a William Nicol, 1889, Kinross age 79yrs.

     Time for a coffee. Don't know if this helps in any way, but I've enjoyed the search.
               Regards,     Dod.

     I've found son David on a few Census Returns too.
     
 
     
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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #65 on: Sunday 15 May 16 15:32 BST (UK) »
Hi ecksdochter :)

Yes that is definitely my family, thank you for providing me with this info.

Could I ask what census records you have David on please?

Molly :)

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #66 on: Sunday 15 May 16 18:39 BST (UK) »
Hello Molly,
     Haven't found 1871 Census for David so far.
       1881 Wales Census. Brecknock, Llywel, Breconshire.
     David  Nicol  32  Shepherd  b *? Scotland. (*Kinross-shire. Hard to read & not transcribed)
     Jane      "     29                 b Perthshire, Scotland. 
     Margaret Davidson Nicol  8   b Transcribed as Brecknock, Llywel but this is scored out &
                                             Kinross-shire written above. Again, difficult to read.
     Mary Jane Ballingall Nicol 5   b Brecknock, Llywel, Breconshire, Wales.
     William  Nicol                 3   b  Brecknock.
     Elizabeth Maria Nicol 11mons b Brecknock.

     This may be his marriage to Jane: David Nicol & Jane Davidson 1873 at Orwell, Kinross-shire.  I suspect daughter Margaret is the Margaret Davidson born to Jane Davidson 15th March 1873 at Orwell, Kinross-shire. (F.Search)
     Mary Jane B Nicoll, birth registered Jul-Sep 1875 at Brecknock, Brecknockshire.
     Elizabeth Maria Nicoll, birth registered Apr-Jun 1880 at Brecknock.
     
       1891. Arngask, Fife. (The one Annie mentions in an earlier post)
     David  Nicol  43  b  Orwell, Kinross-shire. Shepherd.
     Margaret  "   40  b  Portmoak,    "
     William    "   13  b  England?
     Elizabeth Maria Nicol 11 b England?
     Melville Litster Nicol    1 b Auchtermuchty, Fife.

    Not found a death for Jane Nicol so perhaps she died in Wales.
    May be his 2nd marriage: David Nicol & Margaret Litster 1887 Portmoak, Kinross-shire.

       1901. Forteviot, Perthshire.
     David  Nicol  52  b  Orwell, Kinross-shire. Shepherd.
     Margret  "     50  b  Portmoak,   "
     Melville  "     11  b  Auchtermuchty, Fife.
     
               Regards,     Dod.
                                             
PS.   1871. Halteasses House, Ceres, Fife.
     David Nicol  22  Lodger b  Orwell, Kinross-shire. Shepherd.
     Lodging with Thomas Davidson (Ag Lab) & his wife Helen Kassell.
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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #67 on: Sunday 15 May 16 21:43 BST (UK) »
This information is brilliant! :)

I know this is getting away from the original topic now but David Nicols mum was named Mary Jane Ballingall and according to her death certificate she was the dau of James Ballingall and Margaret  McLaren. I've never been able to find a marriage or anything for this couple but a little while ago I came across a marriage certificate on SP for  a JAMES GALL and MARGARET MCLAREN 1798 PERTH.

I wonder if this is her parents? GALL isn't too different from BALLINGALL if the transcriber just caught the end of it or the person saying it perhaps had a thick accent or something? What's your opinion?

Molly :)

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #68 on: Monday 23 May 16 19:57 BST (UK) »
Ecksdochter :)

Where you able to find any more of William and Mary Nicols children on any of the census records with their families? I'm trying to find the names of their kids :)

Molly

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #69 on: Wednesday 06 December 17 11:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Molly
Are you still searching for information on John NICOL?
It maybe that he's in my tree as I've come across too many positive leads within posts here.
Feel free to contact me.
Cheers
Rod

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #70 on: Saturday 16 December 17 09:02 GMT (UK) »
Hello Rod,

Yes I am :)

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Re: JOHN NICOL perth help finding parents
« Reply #71 on: Saturday 16 December 17 09:07 GMT (UK) »
What's the best way to move forward with this for you?
Do you use WikiTree - I do  :)