thank you Dawnsh for your wonderful reply its 9.53pm here and i just got on the computer and saw your message,thank you for replying, my fathers dads name was not put on the birth certificate for some unknown reason maybe it was to keep his identity hidden , why i don't know? all the ideas running through my mind are driving me crazy and i have a great imagination which makes it worse. seeing he is my grandfather i just want to know who he was ,what was he like and how he lived ,did he have other children as i don't know my relatives except some cousins(?) from ancestry and they don't know of him either or my father, so she kept him well hidden. i only wish i could be there in Devon to find out any information, this my profile on ancestry.com.au is Sandra Dalton family tree with all information i have , i only found out some of Edith Doreen Pound (now Baker) info(she passed away 1965). she had 2 other children when she got married in 1940 to Walter Douglas Baker born 1941 and 1943 . when i was little i saw one of them and they moved to box hill, Victoria,Australia i was later informed but i don't even know if this was accurate my fathers old now and i would love to let him know who his dad was and for my kids to know their heritage,but i keep hitting walls, sincerely elenor62