My question comes from looking in FindMyPast for Madog records in Wales. I started to look because of the very unusual S27900 marker found for a couple of Williams, two Madocs (Maddux and Madox),two Powells and myself in the RP 312 group in FamilytreeDNA.
Madog seemed to be the name to use to find a common ancestor..
I came across a David ap Owen ap David ap Madog who was buried in Guilsfield in 1597. There are several more Madogs clustered around that location and date.
Now, let's suppose that some of these Madogs are descended from Griffith ap Ieuan ap Madoc ap Gwenwys who was a famous comrade of Owain Glyndwr. He was around in 1400.
How on Earth can anyone trace their descent from him or his family based on records involving the tricky Welsh patrynomic naming system?
Madogs emigrating to America would have their surname "frozen" so the name would persist to the present day. probably with variants like Maddox. Maddux etc. But that would well be after 1500.
However, I don't understand how a Madog family name (or variant) can be passed down from any time before about 1600 in Wales with any degree of confidence.
I suppose David ap Owen ap David ap Madog might name a son Madog ap David ap Owen ap David ap Madog but there is only so far one can go with that.
There is credible Quaker Record of ellis ap william ap hugh ap thomas ap david ap madoc ap evan ap Cott ap Evan ap Griffith ap Madoc ap Einion ap Meredith
But unless you have specific records like that, it baffles me how anyone can claim a Madog ancestry unless it was frozen as a surname in the Welsh records.
There are 22 Madog records in Montgomeryshire recorded in FindMyPast from 1574 to 1638... and that's it! There are no (zero) Madogs from then to the present day.
Where did they all go, or am I missing something
Very confused..
Kind suggestions will be appreciated
Llanfi