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Are these the same record?
« on: Monday 25 April 16 22:44 BST (UK) »
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1  1954  James  Hugh John Macnamara  Margaret W  Blythswood  Glasgow City/Lanark  644/08 1098
2   1954  James Hugh  John Speirs  Margaret Willia  Blythswood  Glasgow City/Lanark  644/08 1098

Why would these have the same reference number and which is correct?

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Re: Are these the same record?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 25 April 16 22:58 BST (UK) »
Is it a birth, a death or a marriage?

They have the same reference number, therefore they are the same record indexed twice.

As to the reason, I surmise that James Hugh John Macnamara is or was also known as James Hugh John Speirs. This can happen if, for example, his mother has married or remarried after his birth and he has taken his stepfather's surname. Or maybe he was illegitimate.

Either way, you only need to look at the original once. That is the only way to find out why he had two surnames.
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Re: Are these the same record?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 25 April 16 23:15 BST (UK) »
It looks like an illegitimate birth possibly, parents being of surnames Spiers & MacNamara but without details we can't tell for sure & with no punctuation marks (or column names) anyone with no real knowledge of genealogy would be rather confused  ;D

From Scotlands People
1  1954  James  Hugh John Macnamara  Margaret W  Blythswood  Glasgow City/Lanark  644/08 1098
2   1954  James Hugh  John Speirs  Margaret Willia  Blythswood  Glasgow City/Lanark  644/08 1098
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Re: Are these the same record?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 25 April 16 23:24 BST (UK) »
Sorry Forfarian and Annie for not being clearer.  It is a marriage record and the Macnamara and Speirs  are the names of the brides.  I did know that he married a Margaret but this has not helped.
It appears to be the same record but with two different names and no image available yet.

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Re: Are these the same record?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 25 April 16 23:45 BST (UK) »
Possibly she was a widow and her maiden and former married names are given?

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Re: Are these the same record?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 00:17 BST (UK) »
Looks like she married a Speirs in 1950.

I would suggest a divorce between the above 2 and that she remarried 1954 and the record shows her maiden name and previous married name.

There is a possible birth for her in 1928 in Glasgow as McNamara.

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Re: Are these the same record?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 00:40 BST (UK) »
It appears to be the same record but with two different names and no image available yet.

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Are these the same record?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 00:42 BST (UK) »
The marriage will state whether she was "previously" as in (Divorced) or "Widow" if her husband died.

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Are these the same record?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 06:06 BST (UK) »
I looked up the Court of Session index in the National Records of Scotland online catalogue and there is a divorce in 1955 between Margaret W. Macnamara and William Speirs.