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Finding 'Poor Wee Nan': Annie Moffat 1916-1923 Glasgow
« on: Tuesday 26 April 16 18:01 BST (UK) »
I have hit a few roadblocks recently so have decided to take one at a time with the most straightforward first....

My resources and searches are yielding nothing for my great auntie who died as a young child.  The dates of her life are known in the family as is her name and location but I can't seem to find her birth or death record.

Annie Moffat b.1916 d.1923
Born in Glasgow.  Possibly Rutherglen or Shettleston.  The family probably lived at Woddrop Street in Rutherglen at the time she died.  Buried in a family grave whose location is no longer remembered but somewhere there lurks a photo in a loft.

Parents:
Matthew Moffat 1870-1948
Born in Bloss(?)Tioga, Penn, USA but I can't find definite records of this.  Died in Bootle.

Annie Barclay Arthur Moffat 1876-1958
Born in Camlachie, Glasgow.  Died in Crosby, Lancashire.

My grandfather was their eldest son, Alexander Buchanan Moffat 1904-1977.  He told my father that the family emigrated to Canada in 1923 shortly after 'Wee Nan's' death but actually returned sooner than intended as Annie Barclay Arthur Moffat couldn't bear that no one was there to tend poor Wee Nan's grave. 

If anyone can help me find records, I would be really grateful.  I feel I owe it to Wee Nan that there is proof of her short life.
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Re: Finding 'Poor Wee Nan': Annie Moffat 1916-1923 Glasgow
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 19:07 BST (UK) »
Hello Mrs SelfPub,
     This birth & death on ScotlandsPeople may be the Annie you are looking for.
       Annie Arthur Moffat born 1916 at Camlachie, Glasgow City.
       Annie Arthur Moffat died 1923 at Bridgeton, Glasgow City age 6. (Birth year 1916 +/- 1yr).
     Hope this is your Annie.
               Regards,     Dod.
       
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Re: Finding 'Poor Wee Nan': Annie Moffat 1916-1923 Glasgow
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 April 16 19:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks Dod - that looks pretty hopeful :)
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Re: Finding 'Poor Wee Nan': Annie Moffat 1916-1923 Glasgow
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 April 16 20:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks again but unfortunately Scotlandspeople charge a minimum of £7 for 70 credits and I only need 1 credit so can't justify the outlay on my meagre budget.

Is anyone else able to help me find the record in the freeBMD?  I really don't know why it isn't showing up.

Thanks

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Re: Finding 'Poor Wee Nan': Annie Moffat 1916-1923 Glasgow
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 April 16 20:27 BST (UK) »
If you mean this site then it only covers England and wales-
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Regarding the birth and death certificates-
Births- Images of statutory births from 1855 to 1914 are available to view on this site. A digital image is a scan of the microfiche copy of the original register page containing the entry in which you are interested.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&402
You can, however, view deaths up to 1964 online.

I thought it costs 5 credits to view a certificate but if I'm mistaken then someone else will be able to correct me. However, what I can see is that 30 credits (not 70) cost £7 which is not an unreasonable amount.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Finding 'Poor Wee Nan': Annie Moffat 1916-1923 Glasgow
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 April 16 21:39 BST (UK) »
Until the end of this month you can get 20 credits on the Scotlands People site (http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/) for free ;D As far as I know you need 1 credit to pull up the index with the certificate you want and then 5 credits to see the certificate itself.

BUT - The birth of Annie Arthur Moffat is just too recent to be able to see the full certificate (only up to 1914 or possibly 1915 available at the moment).

You will be able to see the full certificate for her death though (those are available up to 1964). If the information on that has the parents that you are expecting then I think you can safely say that the birth will be the correct one.
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Re: Finding 'Poor Wee Nan': Annie Moffat 1916-1923 Glasgow
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 April 16 21:41 BST (UK) »
Ooops I forgot to say that you use the voucher "scotland" on the add credit page to get the free credits.
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Re: Finding 'Poor Wee Nan': Annie Moffat 1916-1923 Glasgow
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 April 16 21:53 BST (UK) »
Hello Mrs SelfPub,
     Using 1 Credit to view the index wouldn't really give you much more information than you already have. To find the full birth/death date & names of both parents, including mother's maiden name, you would need to use a further 5 Credits to view the Birth or Death Certificate. ie, 6 Credits per Certificate. 'aghadowey' is right. £7 for 30 Credits and you would be viewing scans of the original Certificates, not transcriptions.
               Regards,     Dod.
Added. Good, I see someone has posted about the 20 Free Credits.
     
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Re: Finding 'Poor Wee Nan': Annie Moffat 1916-1923 Glasgow
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 28 April 16 08:41 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to you all.  I think that ScotlandsPeople will be quite useful after all but I foresee a few late nights before my credits time out  ;)  I think a few more of the gaps may be filled in using the records available there.

The voucher code worked and I have now seen the document.  I don't think anyone every mentioned that Wee Nan had died of burns.  The family had set up a fire extinguisher company that was beginning to do very well so I imagine that having a child die of burns was particularly distressing.  The address: Dalmarnock House, Woddrop Street also confirms the address I thought they were living at.

The family emigrated to Canada (for a few years) shortly after Wee Nan's death.  The fire extinguisher business was going trans-atlantic.  But, as mentioned before, they returned as her mother couldn't bear leaving Wee Nan's grave. 

The company went on to become the L&G Fire Extinguisher company that was bought out by Chubb in about 1976. 
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