Julia BARRY daughter of John and Johanna BARRY has a sister Eliza b.~1844.
We have the Barrys in the the 1851 and 1861 censuses:
So they appear to come from Wexford and presumably married in Ireland where they had some kids before coming to Liverpool and having some more, so it looks like they'd be easy to track down. The wife's maiden name would help pin them down In Ireland (as a quite search doesn't show up anything obvious) and I should be able get it from one of the English childrens' birth certificates. Julia seems the most obvious but I can't find anything for her, or Martha, and there are too many for the second son called John, but it looks like this is Catherine:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2N4H-HNN
As there are so many Barrys born in Wexford (according the the 1851 census), I thought it'd be easy to try and track down Margaret, Bridget, Mary and Patrick, which might help me track down Eliza. So I found this:
- Margaret, bp 12th July 1833 in Taghmon to a John Barry and Joanna Marian
Then keeping an eye out for Taghmon I spotted these:
- Bridget, bp 22nd March 1835 in Taghmon to a John Barry and Judith Minnay
- Mary, bp 30th June 1837 in Taghmon to a John Barry and Judy Murray
- Patrick, bp 8th Jul 1839 in Taghmon to a John Barry and Judy Murray
The thing is that the quality of the records is poor and difficult to make out. Minnay is obvious Murray and the mother's first name certainly looks like Judith. The other two definitely look like Judy Murray. Then if you go back and look at Margaret's records (records are
here), if you squint at it, there may be a faded hook on a "y" at the en of the mother's maiden name and, if so, Murray wouldn't be outrageous but while "Joanna" is difficult to make out, it doesn't look like Judith or Judy.
A John Barry married a Judith Murray in Barntown/Glinn on 26th November 1831 (Barntown is only a couple of miles from Taghmon). Coincidentally, before the Moses Ryan/Annie Ryan link back to Ireland collapsed (as a a descendant of the Ryans knew that that Moses Ryan died unmarried in Ireland), the family we traced all got married and baptise in Barntown/Glinn. I have genetic links with a group of Doyle cousins from Oylegate - a few miles north of Barntown.
Anyway, despite the birth order and date being right (compared to
the 1851 census), the links between the family members there look pretty solid and it suggests these aren't the Barrys we are looking for. Unless the British-born Barrys demonstrate that their mother's maiden name was Murray.
