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Re: 1851 census help please
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 May 16 17:09 BST (UK) »
If she was 18 on the day of the 1871 census, she was born in 1852/3, not as late as 1855. Strange that she is apparently missing from the 1861 census. Have you checked the original of the 1861 census, just in case she was omitted by the transcriber?
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Re: 1851 census help please
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 07 May 16 17:46 BST (UK) »
Hi
Just looked at the original 1861 census and Barbara is definitely not there  :'(.
Also I have done searches for Thomas Heatlies death between 1851 and 1854, and 1855 up to 1861 and his death is missing too. Thanks for all your help, another pair of eyes is always helpful and much appreciated xx

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Re: 1851 census help please
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 07 May 16 18:26 BST (UK) »
Oh dear. Could be an enumerator error, then. They do occur.

It looks as if he must have died between 1851 and 1854 then.

You said that Barbara was the youngest child, and that there was an Isabelle in the 1861 census. If Barbara was the youngest, and Isabelle was born in 1854, who was Isabelle? (Was she really born in 1854, or is that a DoB miscalculated by subtracting 7 from 1861?)


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Re: 1851 census help please
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 07 May 16 21:11 BST (UK) »
ForFarian, yes that is a possibility I suppose, I don't have anything on Isabelle except the 1861 census entry, but Ive just been looking at the 2 oldest children James Heatlie born in 1842 in Lanarkshire and John Ferguson Heatlie born in 1845 Lanarkshire and they are also missing from the 1861 census, done some searches but nothing matches that I can see.


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Re: 1851 census help please
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 08 May 16 00:18 BST (UK) »
Was Isabelle described as Elizabeth's daughter in 1861? What age does the census say she was?

Do you have marriage and/or death information for James and John?
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Re: 1851 census help please
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 08 May 16 09:39 BST (UK) »
From the transcript, thought it might help to add the 1861 census entry here:

Eliza Hittley 39 washer woman, b Midlothian
Eliza Hittley 11 b. Roshall, Lanarkshire
Robert Hittley 9 b. Roshall, Lanarkshire
Bella Hittley 7 b. Roshall, Lanarkshire
David Chambers 40 visitor labourer b. Ireland

No specific address given in Airdrie, New Monkland.

I suppose there is always the chance that Bella is Barbara was written up incorrectly?

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Re: 1851 census help please
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 08 May 16 09:46 BST (UK) »
A possible 1861 for John (?) son:

J Heatley 13 inmate, tailor b. Airdrie
Boys House of Refuge, Glasgow Barony

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Re: 1851 census help please
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 08 May 16 10:11 BST (UK) »
Possible for 1871 for two of the brothers:

James Hotelay 28 lodger shale miner b. new monkland airdrie
Robt Hotelay 19 lodger shale miner b. new monkland airdrie

Address: No 2? Bathgate

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Re: 1851 census help please
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 08 May 16 10:19 BST (UK) »
No wonder I couldn't find them in 1861 - Hittley wouldn't have occurred to me.

SP has Hattlay and Des Garrity's CD-ROM index has Hettley. Curiosity got the better of me and I looked at the original. See attached and make up your own mind what the surname is!

The address is 2 Shearer Street, Airdrie, by the way.

It is very clearly Bella, and definitely not Isabelle. However the simplest explanation is that she is in fact Barbara and there is an enumerator's error. Perhaps he made a mistake, or perhaps Elizabeth couldn't read and write and was unable to tell whether he had written the name down correctly.

If Bella is not Barbara misrecorded, it requires Barbara to have been born in an improbably short gap between the births of Robert and Bella, and an explanation of why Barbara was missing from both her family and the rest of the census in 1861.
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