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Equivalent of An " 11 Plus " Exam in 1927?
« on: Tuesday 10 May 16 11:01 BST (UK) »
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This may be a strange one not necessarily anything to do with family history. But it has got me curious anyway.
My great uncle Jack Dean (1916-1998) lived in Lincoln all his life. He was born on Belmont Street and went to the Junior School there. Anyway I have found out that before going to the school after his Junior School he failed an examination. This was apparently a test to see who would go to what school. I looked up about the "11 Plus" but found out that this didn't start until much later after 1927. Does anyone know what this examination was please? Also we don't know what school Jack would have gone to after he failed this Exam. The School leaving age by 1926 had become 14. I'm presuming that whatever school Jack would have gone to would have been within the city of Lincoln where he lived. I would be very grateful if anyone could help me on this one.

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Re: Equivalent of An " 11 Plus " Exam in 1927?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 10 May 16 11:10 BST (UK) »
There were grant aided schools at that time, the brighter children would sit exams for those.


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Re: Equivalent of An " 11 Plus " Exam in 1927?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 May 16 11:30 BST (UK) »
It's a bit long-winded but there's a fairly detailed account of the history of education system here

http://www.educationengland.org.uk/history/chapter04.html

I know children sit entrance exams to get into private schools now, maybe they were known as entrance exams way back when to see if you went to grammar school or not.
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Re: Equivalent of An " 11 Plus " Exam in 1927?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 10 May 16 11:41 BST (UK) »
From reading autobiographies I believe the exam was called the scholarship examination - the scholarships in question being funded by (as Jebber says) government grants for the more academic candidates to attend grammar schools.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Equivalent of An " 11 Plus " Exam in 1927?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 10 May 16 12:06 BST (UK) »
From reading autobiographies I believe the exam was called the scholarship examination - the scholarships in question being funded by (as Jebber says) government grants for the more academic candidates to attend grammar schools.
Thank you all for this. Where would children go to who failed this scholarship examination please? :)

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Re: Equivalent of An " 11 Plus " Exam in 1927?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 10 May 16 12:18 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for this. Where would children go to who failed this scholarship examination please? :)

Usually to local authority-run schools known as "Central Schools", though in some places there were also Technical Schools which trained pupils to enter industry.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Equivalent of An " 11 Plus " Exam in 1927?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 10 May 16 12:20 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for this. Where would children go to who failed this scholarship examination please? :)

Usually to local authority-run schools known as "Central Schools", though in some places there were also Technical Schools which trained pupils to enter industry.
Thanks very much.

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Re: Equivalent of An " 11 Plus " Exam in 1927?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 10 May 16 12:22 BST (UK) »
It looks as though Jack's formal name was John Richard Dean - is that right? Born 6 Oct 1916, son of Richard & Lilian of 16 Belmont St?

I can't see school records for him online, but it's possible that something relevant will be digitised and made available in the future.  Alternatively there may be records kept locally in Lincoln which you could access in a relevant archive.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Equivalent of An " 11 Plus " Exam in 1927?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 May 16 12:27 BST (UK) »
It looks as though Jack's formal name was John Richard Dean - is that right? Born 6 Oct 1916, son of Richard & Lilian of 16 Belmont St?

I can't see school records for him online, but it's possible that something relevant will be digitised and made available in the future.  Alternatively there may be records kept locally in Lincoln which you could access in a relevant archive.
Yes that is correct. That is exactly the same person. Thank you very much! He would have been 100 this year. :)