Jarvis - Brentwood area

[lizdb]

1901
Junction Road
John Jarvis 47 bricklayer bn Hammersmith
Ellen 51 bn Sussex Mundham


Millicent is in Finchley as a Domestic help.

[alison300]

Thank you to everyone who has replied.

I ruled out John Jarvis b Hammersmith and his wife because on the 1911 census they say that they only had 3 children and that all are still living. 

I thought it unusual to have 2 sets of twins born so close together and obviously very sad that they died so young.  I didn't even think of SEAX but sounds like i'll have to purchase a birth certificate to find out more.  Thanks again Rootschatters.

[lizdb]

By 1911 he is married to Ellen. And the census asks how many children of the current marriage. So , Ellen had 3 children during her marriage to John.
Or , just maybe, she included Millicent to make up the three!

The twins were born when he was married to Jane Rosa Trigg , and she was dead well before 1911, so her children would not be counted.

So I don't think John and Jane can be ruled out as parents.

[nannyj]

I can't find any Jarvis's baptised in South Weald parish. Nor could I find their burials. I did find a James aged 73 in 1878 and a Mary aged 75 in 1880 buried at South Weald.
On google maps, there are a lot of other denomination churches in and around the area? Maybe they were baptised in one of those?

[alison300]

Thanks lizdb and nannyj - I thought this would be easy!

Just a thought, I've just found 4 more Jarvis children in Brentwood District School/Shoreditch Industrial School so maybe they are related somehow to the babies in the cemetery.  Was this also a workhouse?

[nannyj]

A lot of the burials for that time at south Weald were from the asylum?

[lizdb]

Yes, the asylum (later Warley Mental Hospital, now a housing estate!) is in South Weald parish, despite being only the other side of the road from Christ Church, Warley!    I had an ancestor in the asylum and it took me ages to find his burial, but eventually I studied the parish boundary map and all became clear that this area was actually in South Weald parish, although a long way from the village centre and parish church of South Weald.

But these babies are buried in Lorne Road Cemetery, not South Weald Church yard. If I remember rightly there are separate burial records for Lorne Road cemetery. The run-of-the-mill parish records for South Weald are for the Churchyard, at South Weald Parish Church (some miles away from Junction Road and Lorne Road).

There is a Methodist Church on Warley Hill (both Junction Rd and Lorne Road turn off Warley Hill) and a Baptist Church further up, though I know the Baptist Church would not have been there in 1881, as it started in 1884 and then it was some years after that that it moved to its present building. I do not know the date of the founding of the Methodist Church, but would guess the current building is later than 1881 too.

No - the industrial school was not a workhouse.  I too wondered who the children Henry (14), Harriet (7) , KAte (5), and Emily (4)Jarvis were.  They were all born Shoreditch, and the Industrial School is the "Shoreditch" Industrial School, it was, I think, for children from the East End.
I cant see them linking immediately to the Jarvis family from Junction Road, who seemed to stay in Junction Road for many a year but previously came from Sussex.

[lizdb]

Aha - according to this, Lorne Road was the cemetery fro Christ Church Warley

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=1972385

So that must be where to look for christenings/burials.

It would have been their nearest church geographically (being just a little further down Warley Hill, and actually opposite the lunatic asylum, which is also actually in South Weald parish!), though not their actual Parish Church. I would imagine lots of people from that area worshipped at Christ Church rather than at South Weald, just for convenience.

[lizdb]

You may find this useful - you can see how South Weald parish swoops right down and round the tiny little Brentwood parish!

https://www.esfh.org.uk/map3.php

The boundary of the very far bottom right of South Weald where it meets the odd bit sticking out of the top of Great Warley parish is the road called Warley Hill. Christ Church, Warley is on the right hand side. Junction Road and Lorne Road go off the left.  South Weald Parish church however is in the north of South Weald parish, some miles away.   
The original parish church of Great Warley was St Mary's. I think Christ Church (by Lorne Rd cemetery) was some sort of daughter church within the same parish. Don't know when it started - I'll see if I can find out to see if it was before or after 1881ish

Modified to add:   Yes. Was built 1853  See:
 https://christchurchwarley.wordpress.com/about-us/history/