McKenzie of Howden?!

[scatchardfamily]

This is all extremely helpful – many thanks indeed.

The scenario looks very likely – William in a house of correction in 1851 – since his wife is listed as a lodger in another man's household (later to be her second husband, Mark Nutbrown!).

William goes off to house of correction – but why on earth in Knutsford?!

So working backwards now – where is he from – what's his line and is it Scottish?

[scatchardfamily]

I should also add that on my GG Grandmother's marriage certificate, William McKenzie is listed as a Whitesmith. I wonder if that has any bearing on being connected to making lasts?

[jess5athome]

Hi, a "Whitesmith"  was a term used to describe a "Tinsmith," and, or, a person who forged things from tin or pewter while a "Blacksmith forged things from iron.

Frank.

[scatchardfamily]

So, do these two William McKenzies seem like they could be the same people?

[scatchardfamily]

I am wondering whether we can possibly get any further with this person?

I have produced here a full "report" as per my program, in case we are missing anything:

Name:   William McKenzie
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Death Date:   bef 3 Oct 1852
Occupation:   blacksmith (1848, 1850), whitesmith (1867)1,2,3
Father:   John McKenzie

Spouses
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1:   Margaret Carr
Birth Date:   ca 16 Dec 1828
Birth Place:   Blacktoft, Yorkshire, England
Bapt Date:   16 Dec 18284
Bapt Place:   Holy Trinity, Blacktoft, Yorkshire, England
Bapt Memo:   IGI has 1827 and 1828
Census Date:   6 Jun 1841
Census Memo:   TO FIND.
Census Date:   30 Mar 18515
Census Place:   Hailgate, Howden, Yorkshire, England
Census Memo:   Margaret McKenzie. Housekeeper in residence of NUTBROWN, has her 2 children with her.
Census Date:   7 Apr 18616
Census Place:   Applegate, Howden, Yorkshire, England
Census Memo:   Living with husband Mark Nutbrown
Census Date:   2 Apr 18717
Census Place:   Howden, Yorkshire, England
Census Memo:   Living with husband Mark Nutbrown
Census Date:   3 Apr 18818
Census Place:   1 Dock Street, Goole, Yorkshire, England
Census Memo:   Widow
Census Date:   5 Apr 18919
Census Place:   1 Dock Street, Goole, Yorkshire, England
Census Memo:   Widow, son George with her
Death Date:   11 Mar 189910,11
Death Place:   Union Workhouse, Goole, Yorkshire, England
Occupation:   housekeeper (1851)5
Father:   Joseph Carr (ca1786-1875)
Mother:   Sarah Smith (ca1789-ca1864)
Marr Date:   2 Dec 184812,13
Marr Place:   St Peter & St Paul, Howden, Yorkshire, England
Children:   William (ca1850-1924)


Notes for William McKenzie
Best guess for death: GRO deaths (William Mackenzie): Sep 1852 Beverley 9d 74


Sources
1. http://mv.ancestry.co.uk/viewer/ecdf9a5f-3774-440a-9450-12031106e277/29901956/12506663219
2. Certified Copy of an Entry of Marriage (2 Jun 1867: Charles Collings & Hope Carr MacKenzie), issued 1 Jul 2002.
3. http://mv.ancestry.co.uk/viewer/d5b61e2d-677e-47a0-ae71-68b836eea85b/29901956/12507026888
4. IGI, www.familysearch.org.
5. 1851 England Census: HO107/2358, f.273, p.16
6. 1861 England Census: RG9/3564, f.15, p.24
7. 1871 England Census: RG10/4763, f.45, p.28
8. 1881 England Census: RG11/4701, f.82 p. 29
9. 1891 England Census: RG12/3872, f. 79, p. 12
10. GRO deaths (Margaret Rogers): Mar 1899 Goole 9c 500 age: 71
11. http://mv.ancestry.co.uk/viewer/36a8a30b-d280-4266-bebc-6938df479af3/29901956/12306731695
12. GRO marriages (William McKenzie & Margaret Carr): Dec 1848 Howden 23 118
13. http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbprs%2fyorkshire%2fmar%2f201823940%2f1

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Last Modified:   10 Feb 2017
Created:   22 Feb 2017

[scatchardfamily]

With apologies, just bumping this thread. It seems a remarkable name to have in the depths of Yorkshire - I'd love to know where this guy came from.

[arthurk]

The GRO have put their revamped indexes online since you first posted, so I've just checked for William Mackenzie's death in 1852. It gives his age as 0, so he can't be yours.

[scatchardfamily]

Good point.