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Crawford Allen
« on: Friday 27 May 16 15:15 BST (UK) »
Hello                                                                                                                                          I am trying to find out some details on Crawford Allen the son of Crawford Allen B 1819 married to Jessie Adams .His sisters were Jane b.1850 who married Willian Adams Perves 1872 and Jessie who married Thomas George  Kerans. There may have been other siblings. He moved to Australia but we have no details of how, when or where he arrived. We do know he spent time in Sydney but do not know  any other details, date  or place of death. I believe he is my great grandfather and would love some information. Can anyone help?                                                                                                                                 Jillian (Brisbane – Australia)

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Re: Crawford Allen
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 May 16 17:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Jillian

Just wondering if you meant to post in the Midlothian/Scottish board? A family tree here http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/53094316/person/13453797103 (getting an error currently so can't see the whole tree for now) shows the family's roots in Ireland?

Apart from the sisters you mention, there is also potentially another sister called Eliza who was born c. 1858. She is showing as having married on 7 Sep 1898, Sandymount, Dublin to Lyons Kerans (connected to sister's husband Thomas Keran?). She died 4 Feb 1929, Rathmines, Dublin.

The sister you have, Jane, is showing as having died three years after her 1872 marriage in Australia (26 Oct 1875 Sydney, New South Wales).

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Re: Crawford Allen
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 May 16 19:12 BST (UK) »
There are a few records for a Crawford Allen in the NSW Goal Description Books  .There is one for  Crawford Allen b Ireland 1849 Ireland
There is a death for an Eliza Jane Hoff 17/5/1874 Queensland father Crawford Allen mother Jane Gillespie ?
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Re: Crawford Allen
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 May 16 20:52 BST (UK) »
Oohhh, Jane Gillespie. There is also this death in the US for a Robert born to this couple:

http://iowagravestones.org/gs_view.php?id=1098031

Some more children in Ireland for couple with mother as Jane Gillespie

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Aallen~%20%2Bany_place%3Aireland~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Acrawford~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ajane~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Agillespie~

Wonder which wife/mother, Rosie. It may be that there are two couples?

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Re: Crawford Allen
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 May 16 21:28 BST (UK) »
There are a few records for a Crawford Allen in the NSW Goal Description Books  .There is one for  Crawford Allen b Ireland 1849 Ireland


Jillian, what is the earliest record you potentially have for Crawford Allen Jnr in Australia?

I think from Rosie's reference, there is a 1899 entry in the Gaol Descriptions books with a Crawford Allen aged 51 giving his arrival to NSW I think in 1874 on the 'Lough'. This Crawford was a labourer from Ireland.

The other Crawford Allen showing looks to have been born c. 1829, also Irish.

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Re: Crawford Allen
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 May 16 22:50 BST (UK) »
Think there might be two couples Monica seems to be one in Ireland and the Crawford Allen and Jessie Adams in Edinburgh ..Have a look on www.findagrave.com ( Greyfriars Kirkyard ) ?
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Ireland Calendar of Wills Jessie Allen death 3/1/1897 Galaway primary beneficiary Crawford Allen

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Re: Crawford Allen
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 May 16 18:38 BST (UK) »
Think there might be two couples Monica seems to be one in Ireland and the Crawford Allen and Jessie Adams in Edinburgh ..Have a look on www.findagrave.com ( Greyfriars Kirkyard ) ?
Rosie


See what you mean. www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSfn=crawford&GSiman=1&GScid=639769&GRid=75243537&  Pity the section at the bottom with inscription on the Allens is so impossible to read.

ADDED: Marriage in Edinburgh 1848 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY99-TGS

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Re: Crawford Allen
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 28 May 16 19:42 BST (UK) »
With Jessie Adams' father showing as John, there is an 1841 census entry, at No 3 Charlotte Street North, for the the family of a John Adams and wife Alison (Christison I think). John a Writer by occupation. The family made up of 9 children including a Jessie born c. 1823.

No sign of Crawford Snr in 1841 or 1851. Crawford's origins possibly Irish and they went to live there after marriage?

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Re: Crawford Allen
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 28 May 16 19:54 BST (UK) »
Yes pity about the writing on the stone a bit of a mystery here I think  ???