1911 cork census....missing street?

[jcjc123]

I've relatives showing on the 1901 cork (urban district 5) census at 1 ardfallen terrace, but when i try to find them in 1911 part of the street seems to have disappeared,  and so do my relatives

i'm interested in the cheetham/Cheatem, whiteside and murphy lines in 1901 and would expect to find the murphy still there in 1911 possibly with the addition of a different whiteside
i can find part of the street (the end i think) but not all of it and general searches shows all of it is there now, so i'm guessing it's just missing from the census?

can anyone help please?

[Sinann]

It listed as Estate but if you look at the House and Building return it says Terrace.
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000527182/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001886075/

[heywood]

Hello,
Who would you expect to still be there?
What is the name of the additional Whiteside?
I see John Cheetham and Elizabeth Whiteside married- if it is the right couple. Did they stay in Cork?

There is a death for Eleanor Murphy, 71 yrs in 1909 
Heywood

[jcjc123]

It listed as Estate but if you look at the House and Building return it says Terrace.
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000527182/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001886075/

the link for 1911 that you've posted is the same i found - it only has the higher house numbers on - not number 1, that's why i say part of the street was missing

[jcjc123]

Hello,
Who would you expect to still be there?
What is the name of the additional Whiteside?
I see John Cheetham and Elizabeth Whiteside married- if it is the right couple. Did they stay in Cork?

There is a death for Eleanor Murphy, 71 yrs in 1909 
Heywood

wow lots of questions
I'm really just asking how to access the 1911 records for that address and didn't meant to put anyone to extra trouble,

The death you've found for Eleanor Murphy, 71 yrs in 1909 would be about the time I think John Cheetham and Elizabeth Whiteside moved to england (married) so might at least partly explain their move (john was also from england originally) and why I can't find the family in cork after that, i'll have a full look and double check it's her

the additional whitesides i thought might appear in 1911 are john and susan (nae murphy), susan is elleanors daugher and elizabeths mum but the couple seem to be invisible for most of their lives

[heywood]

Sorry to ask so many questions- just trying to help. 10 years between censuses is a long time- anything can happen!
I did see a Susan Whiteside on an emigration list to NY abt 1908 I think.

However back to your censuses. The numbers on censuses are not necessarily house numbers- just the order in which the enumerator noted the houses. This may not be the case here as it is a terrace but worth bearing in mind.
If you compare the two lists you have you will see some of the same families- Jeremiah Corcoran and Timothy MCarthy for example which would imply it is the same terrace.
Regards
Heywood

[Sinann]

It might help you to compare with other streets in the area.
Tyrone Place is just around the corner from Ard Fallen
1901 numbered 1 to 9
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000532062/
1911 numbered 33 to 41
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001893863/

Same number of houses, Michael Tobin and Michael Barry are in the same position in each but there number changes, it just depends on where the enumerator started.

[jcjc123]

thanks all so much for the advice and help,
it's wonderful how generous people can be on here with their time and knowledge

i'm pretty sure the death of Eleanor Murphy is correct and would certainly like to know more about susan whitesides emmirgration - it would certainly explain why i couldn't find her.

would anyone be able to suggest where i can find her those 1908 records?
i only have uk A'stry and not worldwide, does that mean i can't see them?

[heywood]

There are two mentions of a Susan Whiteside on Anc.
UK outward Passenger Lists.
The first is to Boston with a child Mary 11 yrs - 1893 - not sure re that.

Neither am I sure re the 1908 one to NY- no age or details but she is a housekeeper.