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Re: exact birth date Daniel Joseph Harte, Birr kings offaly
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 12 June 16 09:37 BST (UK) »
What is the date in 1901 on his military record as the Census return for Bridge Street 1901 is dated April 5th
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Re: exact birth date Daniel Joseph Harte, Birr kings offaly
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 12 June 16 14:26 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Thank you for all those informations.
The UK military record number 16333 "short service" is dated September 30, 1901
And shows like Family:
The first name of the mother: Ellen,
The first name of brother John with note : in  America
The names of the two sisters, Agnes and Ellen
All this seems correct with respect to the census that says: number 3 person (that is to say, the mother and two daughters Ellen and Agnes)
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Regarding Daniel Joseph Harte I realize that all documents indicate only one firstname (Daniel) instead of 2 first name (Daniel Joseph)
In view of your experience you know why: error, omission or old former use?
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Re: exact birth date Daniel Joseph Harte, Birr kings offaly
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 12 June 16 14:49 BST (UK) »
Like I said....  He may have taken Joseph name at confirmation??

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Re: exact birth date Daniel Joseph Harte, Birr kings offaly
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 12 June 16 15:42 BST (UK) »
We don't use second names much in Ireland, people seem to start using them when they go abroad to countries where they are used or when it is required of them to have one.

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Re: exact birth date Daniel Joseph Harte, Birr kings offaly
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 12 June 16 19:24 BST (UK) »
Hi dathai, hallmark and sinann,
I just make a point about all of this information to reconstruct the family:
.. Father Daniel Harte
.. Mother: Ellen Boylan born ca 1855
Together married October 26, 1868 Birr, Co. Kings - Ireland
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Childrens:
.. Mary : born January 13, 1870
.. John  : born March 23, 1872
.. Richard : born May 23, 1874
.. Daniel  : born August 5, 1876
.. Agnes  : born ca 1890
.. Ellen  : date of birth unknown
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My observations.
Joseph David on his military record says only his brother John and his 2 sisters Ellen and Agnes.
But curiously it does not specify the names of all other children born before him : Mary, Richard,,
About the child named Daniel: From the documents that I have (military record and certificates GRO) the married person Daniel (02/05/1906 Portsmouth) with Constance Alice Montifield and then (07/24/1919 Salford ) with Elsie Cain was born around 1885 (between 1883 and 1886)
So it can not be the same Daniel who was born above him precisely in 1876.
Or may be two Daniel in this familly : One Daniel and one Daniel Joseph ??
Furthermore the military booklet Daniel Joseph Harte 18 years and 5 months and not 28 years.
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Also I think there is a problem about the search on the name of Harte and that, unless I am mistaken, we are not talking of the same family.
It is likely that Daniel, Daniel's father Joseph Harte was married to someone other than Ellen Doylan. But who ???
What do you think ?


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Re: exact birth date Daniel Joseph Harte, Birr kings offaly
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 12 June 16 19:45 BST (UK) »
This is very mixed up.
The military record 30 Sept 1901 says 17 Bridge Street Mother Ellen, Sisters Ellen and Agnes.
Daniel Joseph age 18 years 5 months

1901 Census 17 Bridge Street 7 April 1901 says Mother Ellen, son Daniel, daughter Agnes. (No daughter Ellen)
Daniel age transcribed as 14 but may be 17, looking at the original.

You need a birth cert for one of the children to get Ellen's maiden name, than it will be possible to look for other children and marriage.
I think Agnes would be the best to get and perhaps the Daniel 1884 one to see if mother and father are the same.