What happened to Sarah Crawley who married John Element in 1800 at Watford?

[judypur]

Hi,

My research is the Ellement family (several variations to the spelling).

I have a John Ellement who married Ann King in Buckinghamshire in 1820, prior to that I can prove he had married Elizabeth Timberlake in Sarrat, Hertfordshire in 1809.  She died in childbirth.

I suspect this may be the same John Ellement who first married Sarah Crawley on 17 Aug 1800 in Watford (St Mary), Hertfordshire.  (I suspect this as I think this is where John is from, however, this marriage would hlep prove or disprove this theory).   However, I would have expected to find a burial for Sarah between 1800 when they married and 1809 and he married Elizabeth.  I can't find anything.

If it was a different John Ellement who married Sarah then I would have expected to find children for that couple but I can't find that either.

The marriage record for John and Sarah does not give parents names, it simply has the date, their names and the word banns.    The marriage record for John and Elizabeth does not state if he was a bachelor or a widower.

So what happened to Sarah Element (nee Crawley) ?   If anyone has any clues, I'd love to hear from them.

Thanks
Judy

[LizzieL]

1841 census has 2 John Elements born about the right time
One b abt 1778, living on his own in Watford, born Hertfordshire occ gardener

The other is born abt 1781 labourer (might be rounded) living in Chesham Bucks, with Thomas 18 labourer , Ann 45 lacemaker and Elizabeth 8 silk winder. All born in county
Next door are Job Element 20 Lab, James 2, Rebecca 25 plaitter, Ann 6 months.

The Watford one could have married Sarah Crawley and the Chesham one married the other two ladies

[LizzieL]

Job King Element married Rebecca Taylor in Aylesbury on 8 Jun 1842, so that fits all the Chesham family together.

[LizzieL]

Can't find Job in 1851, the two children are with their grandmother Ann now widowed. Job features quite a lot in crime records on FindMyPast but can't seem to find out what he was alleged to have done.

added
found report in newspaper - stealing - ten years transportation

[judypur]

Hi Lizzie,

Yes, that is the right family.

The 1841 census with John Elliment is a new development.  I hadn't found that one before.  Will look into that more.

Thank you very much.
Judy

[judypur]

Job was shipped to Australia for larceny (stealing lead inlay off a roof), I have all the records from him down.  It was his father's marriages that were proving a cause for concern.

Still wish I could find what happened to Sarah, but it is looking like it may be a separate John. (That being the case I think there are a lot of trees on Ancestry following the wrong line back, but won't jump to conclusions yet, will keep looking).

Thanks again for the other 1841 census document.  Very helpful.

Regards
Judy

[LizzieL]

Also in Watford in 1841 are Joseph and Sarah Element, similar age to John. They could be the Joseph Element and Sarah Pain who married at Rickmansworth on 9 Feb 1798. Both single. Joseph signed, Sarah made her mark. Witnesses Henry Pain and Abey Element both made mark. Abey is female it says "her mark"

could be John's brother or cousin.

[judypur]

Joseph who married Sarah Pain is the son of John Ellement and Martha Wilson, whom I thought my John was one of their children.   However, now that the 1841 census shows a John still in Watford, It appears that my John is not their son, so now trying to establish who he belongs to.

Thanks again for your help, even though it means I 've had to take a step back, I'd rather that then follow a wrong line.

Regards
Judy

[judypur]

Thank you to everyone for their help, I believe this query has now been solved.

John Element who married Sarah Crawley stayed in Watford.  This John was the son of Martha Wilson and John Element.

Then there is John Element who married Elizabeth Timberlake and Ann King.  His parents appear to be Joseph Element and Mary Chapel from Hemel Hempstead.  (This is the one I am researching).

So two separate John's and the area's are all close hence the initial reason for the confusion.  Many trees have the one John marrying all three ladies, however, I have now been able to prove this is not the case.

Thank you to everyone who has offered information as it all helps.