Songer, Souger, Songar, Longer

[hookleg]

Hi, I am trying to find out about the family of an Arthur with different spellings (probably typos)who appears with the surname Songer, Souger, Songar and Longer in different records on ancestry. (My subscription to them has lapsed and I'm not sure that I'm going to renew due to the expense) Arthur was born in Raydon, although some records say Reydon, both in Suffolk and married Ann Elizabeth Burt of Norton St Andrew, Suffolk in 1877. Ann died aged 26, as a result of childbirth one week after the birth of their son, William Arthur.
Is anyone able to verify the surname and give any info about any of the families. I Know that Ann's parents were William Burt 1820-1899 but I know nothing more of him and Esther Hannah Roope Abt 1821-1909 of Abington, Cambridgeshire and again I know very little about her. Esther and William are both buried at Norton, Suffolk. I know nothing about the 'Songers' except that Ann died at Boreham (Crossing??)

[suzard]

on his 2nd marriage Arthur signed his name as "Songer"
From image of parish register
entry 184
St Matthew Upper Clapton
Marriage 30 Nov 1880 after Banns
Arthur Songer full age widower occ Signalman address Upper Clapton father John Songer occ labourer
Emily Burt full age spinster address Upper Clapton father William Burt occ Gardener
witnesses Wiliam Burt & Elizabeth Caudwell
bride, groom & witnesses all signed

so was Emily the sister of Ann Elizabeth Burt

Suz

[KGarrad]

FreeBMD has his marriage to Ann as Songer:

Marriages, March qtr 1877
Stow, Suffolk Registration District     vol 4a, page 637

Burt, Ann Elizabeth
Songer, Arthur

2 possible births (also from FreeBMD):
December qtr 1851
Samford Registration District     vol 12, page 431
Songer, Arthur Amos
(Possibly the Arthur who died in June qtr 1853?)

September qtr 1853
Samford Registration District     vol 4a, page 459
Songer, Arthur Deaves

[suzard]

it seems on 1881 census although Arthur had married Emily Burt in Nov 1880 -Emily is not entered as his wife!

I am transcribing census from the image (as we are supposed to do for copyright reasons)- not using other transcriptions
1881
Boreham Essex
Arthur Songer Head widower 27 Signalman GER Raydon Suffolk
William A son 2 Boreham
Emily Burt sister in law unmarried 27 Housekeeper Norton Suffolk
RG11 1765 130 17

possibly they kept their marriage secret as I think it was illegal to marry your sister in law at that time

Suz

[suzard]

Here's Arthur in earlier census
1871
High St Needham Market
Arthur Songer Lodger unmarried 17 Groom Raydon Suffolk
in the household of Wiliiam & Lucy Wells
RG10 1745 69 3

1861
Village Somersham Suffolk
John Songar Head M 33 ag lab Raydon Suffolk
Susan wife 31 Wattisham Suffolk
George son 11 Raydon
Arthur son 7 Raydon
Harriet daughter 4 Hinttisham
Charles son 1 Somersham
RG9 1158 24 9

Suz

[suzard]

Marriage
14 Nov 1848
John Songer
Susan Deeves
Raydon

1841
Layham Cottage
Layham Suffolk
John Songer 14 M.S. b in county
in household of Henry Partridge occ Farmer
HO107 1022 12 13 2

1851
Lower St Raydon Suffolk
John Songer Head M 24 ag lab Raydon
Susan wife 22 Wattisham
George son 1month Raydon
HO107 1798 152 24

1861 previously posted

1871
Upper St Somersham Suffolk
John Sangar Head Married 44 ag lab Raydon
Harriet daughter 14 Hintersham
Charles son 11 Somersham
RG10 1745 22 1

it seems Susan is away from home working
1871
Upper St Sommersham
Susanna Songer Nurse 41 ag lab's wife Wattisham
in household of James Chirk? occ baptist Minister, his wife & 5 children -youngest is 7 days old
RG10 1745 23 4

1881
Somersham
John Songer Head M 52 ag lab Raydon
Susan wife 51 Wattisham
Charles son single ag lab Somersham
RG11 1863 33 25

1891

Somersham
John Songer Head M 64 ag lab Raydon
Susan wife 61 Wattisham
RG12 1463 113 17

possible death reg for Susan FreeBMD
Susan Songer
age 76
Jun qtr 1906
Bosmere reg dist
4a 470

Suz

[wilcoxon]

Arthur was born in Raydon, although some records say Reydon, both in Suffolk and married Ann Elizabeth Burt of Norton St Andrew, Suffolk in 1877.

The marriage is in a newspaper 13 Jan 1877
On the 1st inst. St Andrews Norton
 Annie Elizabeth Burt was the eldest daughter of W Burt. Norton
Arthur Songer was the second son of J Songer  of Ipswich .

Another report in a different paper has "John Songer of Somersham"

[hookleg]

Thanks everyone so far, it's going to take some time to get my head around all this. I presume that the newspaper reference I have of Ann's death stating Boreham crossing, was the railway crossing. I had seen a quote referring to Somersham but not the other. What's this about marrying his sister in law!!! All very interesting. The reason I have put out the enquiry is because William Burt's family lived in Norton and was a contemporary of my 3x Gt grandfather from the same village who was also a Burt. Up till now I have been unable to link the two Burt families. There may or may not be one. However in a village of only about 800 people there may be a link which has yet to be discovered.

[suzard]

I think Arthur Songer's full name was Arthur Deaves Songer (Deaves was his mother's maiden name)
Birth reg FreeBMD
Arthur Deaves Songer Sept qtr 1853 Samford reg dist
He did marry his sister in law in 1880 but still described her as Emily Burt and as being single  in 1881 census -probably as it was against the law to marry your deceased wife's sister at that time
by 1891 they are admitting they are married
1891
14 stirling St Ipswich
Arthur Songer Head M 37 Raiway signal man Raydon
Emily wife 37 Norton
Wiliam A son 12 scholar Boreham Essex (this would be the son with Ann Elizabeth nee Burt)
Frederick G son 9 Norton (this is the son with Emily nee Burt - so William A and Frederick G would be half brothers and cousins as well)
Alfred Charlton lodger U 28 Railway signalman
RG12 1466 61 23

1901 Emily (and Ann Elizabeth's ) mother is visiting
16 Barrell St Stoke St Mary Ipswich
Arthur Songer Head M 47 Railway signalman Raydon
Emily 47 wife Norton
Esther H Burt visitor widow 77 living on own means
RG13 1776 8 8

Arthur died 1940
this is his probate record (he had lived at the same address since at least 1911

Arthur Deaves Songer of Parkside Hadleigh Rd Ipswich died 9 Feb 1940  at Stour Villa Shotley gate Suffolk
Probate Ipswich 19 Aptil to Albert Edward Garnham, newsagent
Effects £3066 12s 4d resworn £3016 12s 4d

I will concentrate on the Burt family for you - what is your 3x gt grandfather's name and d.o.b.

Suz