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The Roaming Birthplace-Altering Goodmans of England and Wales
« on: Tuesday 21 June 16 00:19 BST (UK) »
First of all, I want to thank Rootschat member CathayB who has been incredibly patient and helpful with me in emails as I made mistake after mistake in my tree.

She recently informed me that she didn't notice any specific indications the current iteration of my Goodman/Goodwin tree is Romany, especially noting James Goodman was a shoemaker. That being so, I remain puzzled as to their footloose habits and would GREATLY appreciate it if anybody has any info on them previous to their arrival in America and an insight into their footloose ways!   
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Note - Ann Nancy Watkins is the maiden name of  Robert's wife Ann Goodman according to linked ancestry family tree data. So, unsure.


The 1841 England Census-
Cornwall St Kew District 7
Place: Trehill
All members of the family have "yes" under "Wether born in same County" down the line. All are covered with a crossed line through William Goodman's job of "Ag Labourer"
William Goodman Age:50 occupation "Ag Labourer"
Robert Goodman Age:20 Occupation:  /
Ann Goodman Age 20 Occupation /
Jane Goodman Age 20 Occupation /

The 1851 England Census
Portobellow, Willenhall, Staffordshire

This time there are different birthplaces listed for different family members,
Robert's occupation is now listed as Coal Miner, no other indications for occupation for family members.

Robert Goodman   30  Born - Cromfordhill, Gloucestershire, England
Ann Goodman   30  Born-   S Wales, Nether Rid Ash
Jaranna Goodman   7    Born - S Wales, Abersychan
George Goodman   5   S Wales, Abersychan
William Goodman   4   Willenham, Staffordshire, England
Harriott Goodman   2   Willenham, Staffordshire, England
John Goodman   6 Mo Willenham, Staffordshire, England

The 1861 Wales Census - Yet more changes!
Robert's occupation is difficult to make out 100 percent, but I believe (85 percent sure) it says Collier
Aberdare County/Island   Glamorgan Country   Wales

   
Name   Age
Robert Goodman   40   Birdarrend, Glamorgan, Wale
Ann Goodman   40 - space left blank
George Goodman   16   Abersuchan, Monmouthshire, Wales
William Goodman   14  Porlabella, Staffordshire, England
Robert Goodman   11  Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
James Goodman   8/12 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales
Susan Goodman*   17  Abersachan, Monmouthshire, Wales
Harriet Goodman   12  Portabelln, Staffordshire, England
Am (ann) Goodman    6 Aberdare, Glamorgan, Wales

*My best guess is that Susan and Jaranna are one and the same


At this point, circa 1870 ? Robert, Ann, and most of the Goodman children head for america, and are next seen in Westmoreland Co., Pennsylvania.  I am unsure which, if any available 1870's census data describes the family.

William does not join them, and while I've messed it up before (Thanks again to CathayB and her patience), I strongly believe he is the William Goodwin in the 1881 Wales census, now claiming to be born in Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales (later, in the states, he will alternately claim wales and england as his country of birth on forms) -



Name   Age
William Goodwin   34   Occupation:   Rougher In Ironworks Where born: Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
Elizth. Goodwin   28   Where born:-    Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
Elizth. Goodwin   9      Where born:         Dowlais, Glamorgan, Wales
Rosannah Goodwin 7   Where born: Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
Amelia Goodwin   5       Where born: Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales
William John Goodwin   2 Maesteg, Glamorgan, Wales


I greatly appreciate any help, including pointers on if they are associated with any ethnicity's travelling families in Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Etc. or no! And, of course, whether or not I've royally messed up the tree again!


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Re: The Roaming Birthplace-Altering Goodmans of England and Wales
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 21 June 16 21:30 BST (UK) »
adding - The James who was a shoemaker I was referring to in the earlier post was James Goodman, born 1797, of Gloucester whom several user-created family trees online have as the father of Robert. However, I've yet to find non-user-created records of a son named Robert born to him and his wife. I don't believe William Goodman in the 1841 census is his father either, (unless he and Jane are twins), since William and Ann never seem to cross their paths again after laboring with them.
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Re: The Roaming Birthplace-Altering Goodmans of England and Wales
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 21 June 16 22:27 BST (UK) »
Still looking around, but these marriages suggest they stayed around Aberdare for a while & confirm that Robert was a collier:

24 Dec 1864, Aberdare
George Bovier Williams, full age, bachelor, Puddler of Gadlys Road, Father William Bovier Williams, Labourer
Susannah Goodman, minor, spinster of Fair Ynis, Father: Robert Goodman, Collier
Witnesses: David James & Thomas Evans

9 Mar 1868, Aberdare
William Davies, 20, bachelor, Collier of Cardiff St, Father: John Davies, Collier. 
Harriet Goodman, 20, spinster of Fair Ynis, Father: Robert Goodman, Collier,
Witnesses: George Goodman & William Harris
GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: The Roaming Birthplace-Altering Goodmans of England and Wales
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 21 June 16 23:26 BST (UK) »
Have you found the family on the passenger lists?

They arrived in New York aboard the Pennsylvania on 11 Sep 1868:

Robert Goodman 47
Ann 47
Robert 7
James 6
Edmond 4
George Williams 27
Susan 24
Sophia 2
Mary infant

All say born England. 

GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: The Roaming Birthplace-Altering Goodmans of England and Wales
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 21 June 16 23:54 BST (UK) »
Note - Ann Nancy Watkins is the maiden name of  Robert's wife Ann Goodman according to linked ancestry family tree data. So, unsure.

There is a marriage 31 July 1843 at Trevethin, Monmouthshire between Robert Goodwin & Ann Watkins, both of full age.  Unfortunately the transcript has the father of both the bride and the groom as James Goodman  ::)

Trevethin is very close to Abersychan, where the first two children are said to be born. 

However, this marriage would rule out your 1841 census as they were not yet married.  There is however a Robert Goodman of Wales listed as a 19-year-old merchant seaman in 1843.  The ship looks like the Dauntless & the date is 7.10.43  :-\
GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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Re: The Roaming Birthplace-Altering Goodmans of England and Wales
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 June 16 07:39 BST (UK) »
Hi

Welcome to rootschat

I don't think that the  Ann age 20 in St Kew is Roberts wife either. 

Probable christening from familysearch
   
Ann Goodman
Christening 09 Aug 1818
SAINT KEW,CORNWALL
Father William Goodman
Mother Ann

Jane Goodman
25 Jun 1820
SAINT KEW,CORNWALL
Father William Goodman
Mother Ann

It is possible that this is that Robert in 1851
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKVR-D9HS
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Re: The Roaming Birthplace-Altering Goodmans of England and Wales
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 June 16 07:53 BST (UK) »
It is possible that this is their sons birth registration which would give mothers maiden name
Births Sep 1850 
John Goodman   
Wolverhampton reg dist    17   379
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Re: The Roaming Birthplace-Altering Goodmans of England and Wales
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 June 16 08:22 BST (UK) »
Still looking around, but these marriages suggest they stayed around Aberdare for a while & confirm that Robert was a collier:

24 Dec 1864, Aberdare
George Bovier Williams, full age, bachelor, Puddler of Gadlys Road, Father William Bovier Williams, Labourer
Susannah Goodman, minor, spinster of Fair Ynis, Father: Robert Goodman, Collier
Witnesses: David James & Thomas Evans

9 Mar 1868, Aberdare
William Davies, 20, bachelor, Collier of Cardiff St, Father: John Davies, Collier. 
Harriet Goodman, 20, spinster of Fair Ynis, Father: Robert Goodman, Collier,
Witnesses: George Goodman & William Harris

Added by Whiteout7
Susannah and George in a welsh newspaper married parish church of Aberdare
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3094324/3094329/21/

Affiliation: Harriet Goodman vs. John Morgan of Hall Street, Aberdare Times
15th   July 1865 (illegitimate child?)
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3021622/3021626/41/

A puddler was a iron worker and was a hard and dangerous job, I wonder how old George Bovier Williams was when he died, could Susannah have immigrated as a widow with her parents to America?

I don't think the 1841 census relates to your family.
Wemyss/Crombie/Laing (West Wemyss)
Givens/Normand (Dysart)
Clark/Lister (Dysart)
Wilkinson/Simson (Kettle or Kettlehill)

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Re: The Roaming Birthplace-Altering Goodmans of England and Wales
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 22 June 16 10:06 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

Apologies - I forgot to welcome you to Rootschat on my earlier posts.

I've taken a look at the 1851 census and the place name looked to me like Cromhall, Gloucestershire, so this looks a good possibility for Robert's father in 1841:

Cromhall Common, Cromhall, Gloucestershire
James Goodman, 50, Shoemaker
Mary Goodman, 13
Hannah Goodman, 10
Elizabeth Goodman, 9
John Goodman, 24, Blacksmith

All born in county

Added: Robert in 1841?

Abersychan, Trevethan, Monmouthshire
Robert Goodman, 20, J Miner, Not born in county


GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham. MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. JACKSON: East Yorks, North Yorks, Durham. TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.

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