Author Topic: James Hogg  (Read 4520 times)

Offline tammiegirl

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
James Hogg
« on: Wednesday 22 June 16 20:57 BST (UK) »
We are over here on holiday ,my Husbands Great,Great Grandfather was James Hogg &. His wife Mary Sloan from Glebe , Ahoghill ,Antrim .They were Presbyterian,s could any body tell us which Presbyterian church they would have been buried in 1902  please .we have been out to the 1st Presbyterian church on the Galgorm Rd but it seems to new ,is there an older one. Any help would be appreciated .

Offline TheWhuttle

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 496
  • How many boys?
    • View Profile
Re: James Hogg
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 June 16 03:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Tammiegirl,

Churches in Ahoghill are:

First Ahoghill Pb on Straid Road
Brookside Pb on Brook Street
Trinity Pb on Church Street

St Colmanell's Church of Ireland on Church Street
Gospel Hall on Glenhugh Road

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahoghill

---
The "1st" designation usually means that it was the earliest congregation in the locality.
In fact "1st Ahoghill" is one of the earliest Pb congregations in Ireland, dating from 1654.
They just built themselves a new church building.
No hint on their website of an associated graveyard.
http://www.firstahoghill.co.uk/

http://brooksidepc.org/content/brookside-history
[Dating back to 1770, a spin out from Randalstown.
 From the photos, it seems to have an adjacent graveyard.]

http://www.trinityahoghill.co.uk/history-congregation/
[Its congregation dates back to a split in 1806.
 Its associated graveyard dates from 1829, due to the parish burying ground becoming full.]

Generally, the traditional resting place of families was in the CoI "Parish" burial ground.
[Usually, in most places, denominational burial grounds did not appear till the late 19thC.
 Though Jews and Quakers were granted special separate arrangements much earlier.]

The Ulster Historical Foundation's graveyard inscription database lists 2 HOGG entries for Drummaul ...
[Drummaul was an adjacent parish to Ahoghill, in which Randalstown was situated.
 It was common for folks to be buried "back home" with their ancestral families.]
http://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/gravestone-inscriptions/

Expect that further help from local-knowlegable folks will follow.
The ideal would be a report of a burial notice from a local newspaper.

Hope that this has helped to orient you.
All the best for your visit/endeavours!
Capt. Jock

P.S. There is no entry for HOGG in Robert BELL's "Ulster Surnames".
[It only lists the 500 commonest surnames.]

Much of the migration to the area around Ballymena was from the NE of Scotland.

A James HOGG was the famous "Ettrick Shepherd" poet, supported by Walter SCOTT, from near Selkirk, about 40 miles due South of Edinburgh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hogg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ettrick,_Scotland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Private_Memoirs_and_Confessions_of_a_Justified_Sinner
[..."seen as a study of religious fanaticism through its deeply critical portrait of the Calvinist concept of predestination".]
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

Offline tammiegirl

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Hogg
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 June 16 08:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Whuttle, Thanks for your help . We will go back toAhoghill today ,I only want a photo for my family tree  .

Offline aghadowey

  • RootsChat Honorary
  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 51,235
    • View Profile
Re: James Hogg
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 June 16 13:30 BST (UK) »
From ANTRIM RESOURCES at the top of ANTRIM board-

View maps for location of County Antrim graveyards- you can filter by denomination and other N.I. counties are also available.
http://historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?antrim
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!


Offline TheWhuttle

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 496
  • How many boys?
    • View Profile
Re: James Hogg
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 June 16 15:30 BST (UK) »
The townland of "Glebe of Ahoghill" lies directly South of Ahoghill town.
[On the "Glebe Road", which eventually turns in the "Ahoghill Road" as you approach Randalstown.]
http://www.thebraid.com/downloads/Ballymena-Townland-Map.pdf
WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]

Offline tammiegirl

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Hogg
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 June 16 17:50 BST (UK) »
Thankyou Whuttle and Aghadowey for your help .

Offline Elwyn Soutter

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 3,511
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Hogg
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 June 16 19:20 BST (UK) »
We are over here on holiday ,my Husbands Great,Great Grandfather was James Hogg &. His wife Mary Sloan from Glebe , Ahoghill ,Antrim .They were Presbyterian,s could any body tell us which Presbyterian church they would have been buried in 1902  please .we have been out to the 1st Presbyterian church on the Galgorm Rd but it seems to new ,is there an older one. Any help would be appreciated .

There’s this gravestone inscription in 1st Ahoghill graveyard for Hogg of Glebe (the graveyard is beside the old church in the village):

Erected by Hugh Hogg, Glebe in 1957. In loving memory of his wife Mary Hogg who died 7th January 1946 Also the above named Hugh Hogg who died 26th February 1950 And their daughter Martha Ann Bailie who died 25th September 1979 Also her beloved husband David Bailie who died 2nd December 1983.

None for James Hogg or wife Mary.
Elwyn

Offline tammiegirl

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 90
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: James Hogg
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 23 June 16 20:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Elwyn, Thankyou very much for that information. Hugh Hogg was James & Mary,s Youngest Son ,When they died in 1902 they left the Farm to Hugh . Hugh & Mary had  3 Children . The Two Son,s James Henry ,& Hugh John went to live in New Zealand ,in. fact I have been helping Their 3 xGrandson who now lives in America  with  some information.I will pass this on to him as Well . Thanks again .

Offline TheWhuttle

  • RootsChat Senior
  • ****
  • Posts: 496
  • How many boys?
    • View Profile
Re: James Hogg
« Reply #8 on: Friday 24 June 16 02:30 BST (UK) »
Tammiegirl,

Here's a list of graveyards in Ahoghill:

Graveyard Name         Denomination    Townland           OS Ref
Ahoghill Old                  OX                    Ahoghill              D050016   
Ahoghill 1st Pres           PR                    Ahoghill              D052016   
Trinity Pres              PR                    Ahoghill              D050014   
Brookside Pres         PR                    Ahoghill              D049018   
Gracehill Moravian        MO                   Gracehill             D074019
Ahoghill RC                   RC                    Lismurnaghan    D044011
Ahoghill CI                    CI                     Carmacmoin      D049013

Ref: http://www.ancestryireland.com/family-records/graveyards-in-ulster/?search1=&search2=ahoghill&search3=&dropdown=Antrim&submit=Search

So. looks like each church (eventually) had its own graveyard.

I'd still keep the CoI churchyard in mind.
Even though it was (apparently) declared "full" in 1829, this would only have impacted families wanting to create "new" plots there.  However, families with existing (non-full) plots still would have been able to use them for internments.

You must consider that James HOGG and Mary SLOAN might be buried apart, in plots c/o their parent families.
[Such was a common practice, even up to modern times e.g. my grandparents.]

Family History anecdotes, or Newspaper reports, will be crucial here.

Capt. Jock

WHITTLEY - Donegore, Ballycraigy, Newtownards, Guernsey, PALI
WHITTLE - Dublin, Glenavy, Muckamore, Belfast; Jamaica; Norfolk (Virginia), Baltimore (Maryland), New York
CHAINE - Ballymena, Muckamore, Larne
EWART, DEWART - Portglenone, Ballyclare
McAFEE, WALKER - Ballyrashane

"You can't give kindness away enough, it keeps coming back to you."
Mark Twain (aka Samuel CLEMENTS) [Family origins from Ballynure, Co. Antrim.]