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Elizabeth Crawford born in Auchterderran's parents
« on: Friday 24 June 16 03:25 BST (UK) »
Hitting a road block. Wondered if anybody had any idea of where to go from here.

Trying to figure out x3rd Great Grandmother's parents.
Her name is Elizabeth Crawford, born bat. 1841, Auchterderran, Fife.
Got her death certificate, it has their names listed as what I think is:
William Crawford & Helen McLean?
When I search for those two names absolutely nothing comes up, nothing at all. I've tried family search, ancestry, and nothing. No luck finding her birth cert. either.

Anybody have any ideas?

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Re: Elizabeth Crawford born in Auchterderran's parents
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 June 16 09:48 BST (UK) »
Hi

Alexander Bowman married Elizabeth Crawford age 18 at Auchtertool Manse on July 12th 1862. Her parents are listed as William Crawford, Ploughman, and Helen Lawson. The name Lawson is not listed as a maiden name, and there does not appear to be a marriage that I can find.

Charlie
Fife: Shepherd, Nellies, Beveridge, Litster, Simpson
Lanarkshire: Sorbie
WRY: Simpson, Brooksbank

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Re: Elizabeth Crawford born in Auchterderran's parents
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 June 16 10:50 BST (UK) »
Following on from the marriage Charlie found wonder if this is Elizabeth Crawford in the 1851 census at Gardeners Land Dunfermline Fife
John Imrie b 1823 age 28 ( blacksmith )
Helen Imrie age 36
Helen Imrie born Ballingry Fife
Betsy Crawford born Auchterderan Fife 1841
Donaldson Imrie born 1850 Ballingry

1871 Census address Little Raith Colliery Auctertool Fife
John Imrie age 47 ( blacksmith journey man )
Helen Imrie age 50
Helen Imrie age 21
Donaldson Imrie age 19
Janet Imrie age 15
Birth for Janet Imrie 10/12/1855 Auchtertool Fife
Father John Imrie
Mother Helen Lawson
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Re: Elizabeth Crawford born in Auchterderran's parents
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 June 16 11:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie

That looks correct
Alexander and Elizabeth had a son named Donaldson Imrie Bowman born 1882 in Lochore.

Charlie
Fife: Shepherd, Nellies, Beveridge, Litster, Simpson
Lanarkshire: Sorbie
WRY: Simpson, Brooksbank


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Re: Elizabeth Crawford born in Auchterderran's parents
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 June 16 11:30 BST (UK) »
Marriage for John Imrie 17 January 1847 Ballingry Fife
Spouse Ellen Lawson

This might be the same family in the 1841 census address Lochgelly Auchterderran  fife
Charles McLean b 1806 Fife age 35 coal miner
Alxr McLean b 1828 Fife age 13
William McLean b 1832 Fife  age 9
Helen Adamson b 1801 age 40 ( wife ) birth year varies  1795/1801
Helen Lawson b 1816 Fife age 25
Helen McLean b 1836 Fife age 5
N K Female age 3months

I would think this would be Elizabeth age 3 months
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Re: Elizabeth Crawford born in Auchterderran's parents
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 June 16 11:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie

That looks correct
Alexander and Elizabeth had a son named Donaldson Imrie Bowman born 1882 in Lochore.

Charlie

Think we have the right family who were the witnesses on the marriage ?

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Re: Elizabeth Crawford born in Auchterderran's parents
« Reply #6 on: Friday 24 June 16 12:08 BST (UK) »
I match in Scotlands People for Helen Imrie other name Lawson age range  birth year 1813 -1816 in Auchtertool Fife maybe worth looking at
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Re: Elizabeth Crawford born in Auchterderran's parents
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 June 16 20:12 BST (UK) »
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

You guys never cease to amaze me! All your help has definitely helped me. :)

I think it's safe to say Elizabeth's mother, was actually Helen Lawson. (not Helen McLean like it says on Elizabeth's death certificate.)

I think you're right Rosie, that Helen was living with the McLean family from the 1841 census, with Elizabeth. I don't know if they were related or not, but maybe that's why someone thought Helen's maiden name was McLean.

It looks to me like Helen got pregnant by William Crawford (who I have yet to find any info on) and she had Elizabeth. She then married John Imrie (who's father is, I believe Donaldson Imrie) then had several children with him.

My Great-Grandfather's name is actually Donaldson Imrie Bowman, and we all wondered how he got his name, since all of his other siblings only have first names, and he being 9 of 10 children had a first and middle name. So that would make sense. 

It is very odd that Elizabeth seemed to be treated like she wasn't part of the family. In the 1851 Census, she's listed as "Visitor" and in the 1861 Census, she's listed as "General Servant". She's never listed as daughter, which is quite sad.

I searched all over, and still have yet to find Helen's parents, and a lead on William Crawford.

But, thanks again so so much everybody for all the tips, you're amazing!

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Re: Elizabeth Crawford born in Auchterderran's parents
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 June 16 20:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie

That looks correct
Alexander and Elizabeth had a son named Donaldson Imrie Bowman born 1882 in Lochore.

Charlie

I looked up their marriage certificate, but didn't give me many leads. I'll post it, it looks like the witnesses are John Brunston & Catherine Hallan?

Think we have the right family who were the witnesses on the marriage ?