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King's Head, Abingdon
« on: Thursday 21 July 05 21:54 BST (UK) »
Some ancestors of mine as registered as being licencees of the King's Head Ale House in parish of St. Helen, Abingdon around 1810. Does the pub still eixst and if not where was it situated?

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Re: King's Head, Abingdon
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 July 05 22:24 BST (UK) »
Hi Pete,

The King's Head & Bell is located in East St Helen's Street in Abingdon.  I can't find a picture of it at the moment.  :(

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Re: King's Head, Abingdon
« Reply #2 on: Friday 22 July 05 09:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Pete

This is the Kings Head and Bell - or the Old Bell as it was called around 1900 - it has now reverted to The Kings Head and Bell and is on East St Helens Street - I have a more up-to-date picture somewhere which I will look for - this was taken around 1910.  However I am not positive that this is the place you are looking for as it has always been an Inn - not an Ale House - and they are/were different, a beer or Ale House was only licensed to sell beer, not wines and spirits.  What was the familys name?    from my copy of notes on the lease of this building in 1807 it was being tenented by Richard Daws victualler & blacksmith.

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Re: King's Head, Abingdon
« Reply #3 on: Friday 22 July 05 14:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Debbie and Nell,

Thanks for your replies. All I have to go on is 1) what is given on the victuallers remonstration, if that what it is called, where the victualler undertakes to pay the king a sum of money if he does not adhere to his licensing conditions, which simply describes it as the King's Head. There are two remonstrations that I could find dated 1809 and 1810. 2) on his daughter baptism records of 1810, his profession is noted as innkeeper of the King's Head ale house.

There is no mention of the Bell in either documents, but he is described as an innkeeper, which somewhat contradicts the descriptions of it being an Ale house. On his daughter's marriage license she describes him as an innkeeper also.

I would be very interested for your comments.

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Pete

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Re: King's Head, Abingdon
« Reply #4 on: Friday 22 July 05 14:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter

What was his name please????? - I have a few things on Abingdon which might help - I have just found my copy of a book called Inns and Alehouses of Abingdon by Jacqueline Smith & John Carter - In there it says there was another Kings head on the High street -        quote
'prior to 1866 it was a combination of two inns The Lion & The Kings Head'

The book also mentions the Kings Arms

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Re: King's Head, Abingdon
« Reply #5 on: Friday 22 July 05 15:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Debbie,

Sorry I did not mean to be obtuse. His name was Thomas Clarke, wife Martha. I do not think he was there long as I only found remonstrations for 1809 and 1810.

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Re: King's Head, Abingdon
« Reply #6 on: Friday 22 July 05 16:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter

I have just gone through a directory listing for Abingdon for 1775 - too early to mention your Thomas but it does mention a T Watkins at The Kings Head and a Thomas Neville at The Bell - so now I am fairly sure they are different places - I think the one you are interested in was on the High Street as described in Jacqueline book - it further says

 " Earliest Date 1734. William Cheyney, by his will in 1734 gave 20/- to be paid yearly out of the rents of his messuage called The Kings Head to the churchwardens of St Nicholas.  Described as a Commercial Inn and Posting House in 1854.  It appears that the Kings Head was a t one time amalgamated with its neighbour The LionAccording to the Abingdon Herald 6.1.1900 the Kings Head was removed about 1866.  The 1874 Ordnance Survey Map lists the Red Lion only."

- from the descriptions on the baptisms of his children your Thomas Clarke appears to have been there from about 1796 - 1810 at least.

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Re: King's Head, Abingdon
« Reply #7 on: Friday 22 July 05 17:11 BST (UK) »
Hi debbie,

Thanks for all your help - it is most useful. I have only the baptism record of his daughter Sarah. I gather from your reply that you looked up his other children. I would be most grateful for that information, as there are 2 Thomas and Martha Clarke marriages in the IGI, and the date of the eldest child might help tell them apart.

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pete
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Re: King's Head, Abingdon
« Reply #8 on: Friday 22 July 05 17:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Pete

Not sure if this is in the IGI or not - most of Abingdon St Helens is not - I think this is the marriage of Thomas

1795 January 8th Thomas Clark to Martha Hemmings

they then had

1796 Thomas - father Vitler
1799 Ann Elizabeth - father waiter
1801 Joseph
1804 Martha
1807 Elizabeth (aged 14 months)
1807 Sophia
1810 Sarah


It is possible that the mother Martha (nee Hemmings) is the Martha Clark who appears in the 1841 census in the Old Almshouses - aged 70 approx

Hope helps

Debbie
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