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baptism of james sheilds and thomas sheilds
« on: Sunday 26 June 16 22:13 BST (UK) »
hi i got sent two baptisms for two of my ancestors one in county louth 24may 1857 the other in county meath a james sheilds and thomas sheilds parents father john shields and mother catherine mccabe was wondering how i could find there marriage thanks

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Re: baptism
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 26 June 16 22:26 BST (UK) »
The parents marriage?
Are they in the 1901 Census. Marriages usually happen in the brides parish so it would be good to know where Catherine was born.
Also were either of the sons you have their first born, this will help with a year the marriage could have taken place.

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Re: baptism
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 26 June 16 22:34 BST (UK) »
hi there the parents came to england two of the sons born ireland 24/5/1857 the other 27/02/1859
i think there mother born ireland 1836 catherine mccabe husband john shields 1834 born ireland she died 1892 in the uk thanks

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Re: baptism
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 June 16 00:07 BST (UK) »
As the Louth one is the earliest that would be the place to start, but you need their religious denomination.
If the were Church of Ireland they should have a marriage cert, you could try here
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347?collectionNameFilter=false
This site will give you the registration districts for Louth
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/Ireland-civil-registration.html

If they were RC you will need to search the parish records.
http://registers.nli.ie/

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Re: baptism
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 June 16 00:43 BST (UK) »
Hi, I found 4 children born to this couple:

Patrick  - 1 May 1856 - Collon, Co. Louth - Roman Catholic
James - 24 May 1857 - Collon, Co. Louth - Roman Catholic
Thomas - 27 Feb 1859 - Slane, Co. Meath - Roman Catholic
John - 25 May 1862 - Collon, Co. Louth - Roman Catholic

The marriage was a little trickier, but I believe I have found it: John Reid? and Catherine McCabe married in Collon, Co. Louth on 1 Jan 1856. Checking the original page it looks like Reid should actually be Sheil. Unfortunately as is often the case with RC marriages the names of the parents of the bride and groom are not given in the records.

Hope this helps,

Michael.

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Re: baptism
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 June 16 01:12 BST (UK) »
Left hand page
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632531#page/78/mode/1up
Think your correct, that doesn't look like an R to me.

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Re: baptism
« Reply #6 on: Friday 01 July 16 23:20 BST (UK) »
hi mjflyn the one you have cant be the one I am looking for two children born Ireland the rest of there children born uk thanks

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Re: baptism of james sheilds and thomas sheilds
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 02 July 16 01:12 BST (UK) »
hi mjflyn the one you have cant be the one I am looking for two children born Ireland the rest of there children born uk thanks
Are you saying the two baptisms you were sent are incorrect?
What are the names and dates of the sons born in the UK and have you confirmed their parents as John Shields and Catherine McCabe?

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Re: baptism of james sheilds and thomas sheilds
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 02 July 16 01:31 BST (UK) »
If the baptisms you were sent are correct I would be confident that the other children I found are part of the same family, and could be the family you are looking for. Don't forget that it was not unusual for children to die young so they would not appear on the census where you found the rest of the family and the later children in England. It was also very common for the names of children who had died to be reused for their younger siblings, and more especially if it was the father or grandfathers name, so to have another child in the family named John would not be at all surprising.

English census records typically only have Ireland as the place of birth rather than the county or the town, do you know that the family was from Louth/Meath? Have you sent away for the birth certificates of the other children to confirm that their mother was Catherine McCabe?