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CHAPMAN John Henry in Surrey
« on: Tuesday 05 July 16 11:44 BST (UK) »
I have been at a stand still in my Chapman line and may have finally made a breakthrough but I'm stuck again and am hoping someone may have some ideas.

My ancestors were: John Alfred Chapman b. 1855 Newington, Surrey who married Susannah Jane Ayton on 25 Dec 1881 in Southwark, London. On their marriage records his father is listed as John Henry Chapman - bookseller or bookseller (hard to read).

A lot of people with trees online have John Alfred's parents as John Chapman and Lydia Parker. I have ruled this out as their son Alfred John Chapman married someone different and is in different census' at the same time as my relative.

Today I found a record on FindMyPast (making use of the free census week) that could be John Henry Chapman in the 1851 census.

Living on Milk St, St Mary Newington, Surrey. age 30 Occ: Bookseller b. Newington, Surrey
Wife: Susan age 21, b. Frome, Somerset
Son: Henry Saml age 0. b. Newington.

This seems to fit and while my ancestor isn't born till '55 they are in the right place. What has me stuck is that I can find no record from here on of John Henry, Susan of Henry Samuel. I can't find a marriage record, deaths, census' etc. I may have found John in the '41 census as son of John and Sarah Chapman with both he and his father Booksellers but I'm not sure if its him yet.

I would love some ideas of where to go from here or if anyone can find a record I've missed. Thanks.
 
Prangnell, Chapman, How, Mumford, Henwood, Owen, Wormald, Robins, Bendall, Turner, Ayton, Watts, Baker, Wiltshire, Longman, Moody, Talbot.

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Re: CHAPMAN John Henry in Surrey
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 11:53 BST (UK) »
1881 - RG11/366 f13 p19 - 34 Baltic Street  :-\
John Chapman 64 Book seller bn St Luke, Middlesex
Susan Chapman 50 Charwoman bn Somerset
John Chapman   27 Prison Warder bn Walworth, Surrey
George Chapman 16 Light Porter bn Hoxton, Middlesex
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Re: CHAPMAN John Henry in Surrey
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 12:00 BST (UK) »
Baptisms (all Chapman):

St Mary Newington

04.05.1853: Susan, b. 15.04.1853, dau of John Henry (bookseller) & Susan, workhouse.
19.09.1855: John Alfred, b. 27.08.1855, son of John Henry (bookseller) & Susan, South St, Walworth.

St Thomas Charterhouse

19.02 1865: Susan Ann, b. 21.06.1862*, dau of John Henry (gen dealer) & Susan, 136 High St, Hoxton.
19.02.1865: George Edwin, b. 27.01.1865, son of John Henry (gen dealer) & Susan, 136 High St, Hoxton.

*Susan's birthdate appears to be a year out - likely birth reg is Sep qtr 1861 Shoreditch.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: CHAPMAN John Henry in Surrey
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 12:08 BST (UK) »
I can't find a marriage record

Marriage, St Peter Walworth, 5 Dec 1849

John Henry Chapman, full age, bookseller, of 21 Trafalgar St.  Father: John Chapman (decd), bookseller.
Susan Morris, full age, spinster, of 21 Trafalgar St.  Father: Henry Morris, toll collector.

Witnesses: Elijah Albon?, Sarah Chapman.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: CHAPMAN John Henry in Surrey
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 12:14 BST (UK) »
1891

14 Hatfield Street

John   Chapman   75   - Book Seller - Newington, Surrey
Susan Chapman 61   - Office Cleaner -  Frome, Somerset
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Re: CHAPMAN John Henry in Surrey
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 12:21 BST (UK) »
Re the daughter Susan Ann born 1861:

1871 census: RG10/616/85/14

19 Westmorland Rd, St Mary Newington

Sarah Chapman Head Wid 73 Annuitant Camberwell
Susan Ann Chapman Granddaur 9 Servant Hoxton
[plus a lodger Thomas Germer]
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: CHAPMAN John Henry in Surrey
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 12:26 BST (UK) »
Marriage, 1 Feb 1880, Bethnal Green

Edwin Elton Martin bachelor, book edge gilder of 15 Baltic St.  Father: Edwin Martin, book edge gilder.
Susan Ann Chapman spinster of 15 Baltic St. Father: John Henry Chapman, bookseller.

Witnesses: John Henry Chapman, Emma Martin.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: CHAPMAN John Henry in Surrey
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 14:07 BST (UK) »
Wow, thanks so much for everyone's help.

This really helps me sort it all out.
Prangnell, Chapman, How, Mumford, Henwood, Owen, Wormald, Robins, Bendall, Turner, Ayton, Watts, Baker, Wiltshire, Longman, Moody, Talbot.