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Cassels Family Help Please
« on: Tuesday 05 July 16 15:33 BST (UK) »
Hi
I was wondering if someone could help me.
I trying to trace more infomation on my 3xgr grandparents.

I have found my 3x gr grandfather on the 1841 census
George Cassels  aged 8 giving him a approx year of birth 1833
living with parents John Cassels age 40 Anne Cassels age 35
and sister Margaret Cassles age 15.

The census says they are living in the civil parish of Glasgow St Thomas
                                                       County Lanarkshire
                                                       Address Gallongate.
                                                       Parish number 644/1
Can anyone tell me roughly where this area would be located or what church they may have attend.
I am trying to find more information on George and his family. Baptism, marriage death records etc

I know George marries a lady called Margaret but unsure what her maiden name would have been or when they married. They married in Glasgow before moving to Manchester.
I am also trying to find out more on his parents John and Anne.
If anyone could point me in the right area to look for them or can help me in any way I would appreciate it as I am just hitting brick walls.

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Re: Cassels Family Help Please
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 16:08 BST (UK) »
Address is likely to be Gallowgate, which is near Glasgow Cross/High Street

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Re: Cassels Family Help Please
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 16:27 BST (UK) »
Hello kel_faz22,
     Sorry, I don't have any direct information about the Cassels family, but I think the address is Gallowgate, Glasgow rather than Gallongate. 1841 Census Returns are not very detailed. Birth place of Scotland for both John & Anne Cassels means they were not born in the County they were living in when the 1841 Census was taken. (Lanarkshire) Also, on the 1841 Census, adult ages were rounded down to the next age divisible by 5. ie: John could be any age between 40 & 44. Anne aged 35-39 and daughter Margaret aged 15-19. (That's if they gave their correct age to start with!) Hope that helps to find them on 1851 Census.
               Regards,     Dod.
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Re: Cassels Family Help Please
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 16:57 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage for George on SP, which will confirm his mother's name

1856   CASSELS   GEORGE   and SEMPLE MARGARET at GLASGOW CENTRAL DISTRICT   GLASGOW CITY-LANARK


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Re: Cassels Family Help Please
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 17:28 BST (UK) »
Marriage 17th June 1856 at 134 Stirling Road Glasgow.
George Cassells 24 bachelor Seaman of 167 High Street Glasgow. Father John Cassels, Weaver dec'd and Ann Cassels nee Elder dec'd
Margaret Semple 21 spinster, Steam Loom Weaver, of 167 High Street. Father John Semple, Mason dec'd and Marion  Semple nee Murray
Witnesses John Semple and Robert Dickson
In 1871 census (Salford) George and Margaret have a son John age 14 born Scotland. Scotland Select Births and Christenings on Ancestry has birth of John Cassels son of George Cassels and Margaret Semple born 7th March 1857. They also had a daughter named Marion Murray Cassels baptised 4th March 1866 Manchester (Cathedral) ( per Ancestry Manchester Births and Christenings)
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Hamilton, Johnston, Dawson, Rennie, Wright (Clackmannanshire)

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Re: Cassels Family Help Please
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 17:49 BST (UK) »
kel_faz22, you need to take a look at that marriage certificate. SP is Scotland's People. Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk and invest in 30 credits at a cost of £7.

Use 1 credit to find the marriage in the indexes, and 5 to view and download the certificate. This will tell you the full names of the couple's parents, including their mothers' maiden surnames. It should also tell you if the parents were deceased.

If they were not deceased, use another credit to find the death of George's mother and five to download the death certificate. She should be indexed under both her maiden and her married surnames. This will tell you the full names of her parents, including her mother's maiden surname, and whether she was married or widowed.

This will enable you to narrow down your search for John's death certificate, which will add the names of his parents.

Edit: I see that my post crossed with Isobelw's and that she has already used some of her own credits to look up the marriage for you, and that both John and Ann were deceased by 1856. There is a small chance that one or both died in 1855 or 1856, in which case there would be (a) death certificate(s), but if they died before that there won't be any.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Cassels Family Help Please
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 18:04 BST (UK) »
Hello kel_faz22,
     Possible Marriage for George's parents. (ScotlandsPeople)
     John Cassils & Ann Elder married 25th August 1822, Barony District, Glasgow City, Lanarkshire.
     I didn't use Credits to view this entry but pre 1855 Parish Records (OPR) don't give a lot of information. Might give John's occupation, but unlikely to give parent's names.
               Regards,     Dod.
Added. Also found on A*try.
               
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Re: Cassels Family Help Please
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 18:20 BST (UK) »
There was only 1 death recorded for the time frame with the spelling Cassells -  John Cassells who died in 1856 was aged 3 years - 1 death was recorded with the spelling for a John Cassels -  aged 51 years - 1855 - Fife -

There was a death for Ann Cassels - 1856 - mothers name Clark - other names Walters - aged 48 years - Maryhill Glasgow.

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Re: Cassels Family Help Please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 05 July 16 19:36 BST (UK) »
Hello kel_faz22,
     'isobelw' Reply 4 lists George & Margaret, 1871 Census at Salford.
       1881 Census. Sandywell St, Salford.
     Margaret Cassells 46 Widow b  Scotland.
     Marion       "      15 Dau    b  Salford.
     Annie E.     "      10  "       b      "
     Plus 2 Boarders, Wallace Burnett & son Benjamin.
     Looks like George died 1871-1881.
               Regards,     Dod.

PS.    1891 Census. Still at Sandywell St.
     Margaret Cassells 56 Widow b Glasgow.
     Annie          "       20 Dau     b Salford.
     Plus, Boarder, James Burnet.
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