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Re: Andrew Smith Watchmaker of Tranent
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 10 July 16 18:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Zumaro,

Great to have it confirmed, shows how wrong Ancestry records can be.

I was just about to post about the initials around the needlepoint, when your post came in.

I am going to trying enlarge the images of the needlepoint, there are some other initials and names there, which are not too clear yet.

Tom
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Re: Andrew Smith Watchmaker of Tranent
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 10 July 16 18:24 BST (UK) »
I knew the initials would mean something...dohh, didn't connect with all their names  :P

Given the number '84' embroidered and mentioned in the auction details, the possibility she was still alive then?

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Re: Andrew Smith Watchmaker of Tranent
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 10 July 16 18:27 BST (UK) »
Jumping about a bit.

With the confirmation of the N initial for Alexander, there is this potential 1901 census entry for him:

Alex N Smith 50 grocer b. Tranent
Mary Smith 40 b. Dundee
Peter Smith 18 Plumbers Apprentice b. Leith
Andrew Smith 16 Shirt Cutter Appentice b. Leith
Barbara Smith 12 b. Leith

Address: 218 Easter Road, Leith

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Re: Andrew Smith Watchmaker of Tranent
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 10 July 16 18:38 BST (UK) »
It is the right Alexander. See snippet below. Father Andrew still showing as not deceased. I am thinking now, he may not have been.

You could also check Charles' marriage to see what it said about his father perhaps.

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Re: Andrew Smith Watchmaker of Tranent
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 10 July 16 18:41 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

I think that the 1884 would make Jane about 44, and most likely still a spinster. I had tried to get marriage records for her, but it maybe that she stayed unmarried. However on the needlepoint, therein "Mr" above the AS, and "Mrs" above the CK, for father and mother. at lower right there is a"Mcraig" the "84" is at end of the poem.

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Re: Andrew Smith Watchmaker of Tranent
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 10 July 16 18:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

Strange that the MC shows Andrew Smith as still living, but his wife as deceased, and that is 1878. Could he be in an institution or something like that?

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Re: Andrew Smith Watchmaker of Tranent
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 10 July 16 19:07 BST (UK) »
Tom, I am beginging to think that he is still alive at this time of the marriages. We are up to 1878, and he is still not showing as deceased  :-\

zumaro, if you do have access to A/try and their family trees, this is one for Alexander Nimmo Smith and wife Mary http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/86056322/person/34557872355/facts  The have Christian Kent's maiden name wrong and show it as Reid (you can see why they got confused from the way it is written for her on the 1878 marriage cert.).

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Re: Andrew Smith Watchmaker of Tranent
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 10 July 16 20:35 BST (UK) »
The initial 'B' in Robert born c. 1844 stood for Bridges. Robert became a Church Minister. He married in Leith in 1885 to a Mary Ann Pringle. Father Andrew now showing as deceased.


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Re: Andrew Smith Watchmaker of Tranent
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 10 July 16 20:41 BST (UK) »
Robert and family in 1901. All the Smiths born in Cranshaws except for Robert Snr.:

Robert B Smith 57 Minister Of Cranshaws Parish b. Tranent
Mary Ann P Smith 42
Andrew R B Smith 14 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KS6B-D3F
Robert B Smith 12 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KS6B-D3N
Jane Smith 9 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTXT-XH2
Mary Smith 7
Christina H Smith 5
Richard H Smith 2
Donald D Smith    5 Months
Mary Swart 25 servant b. Haddington

Address: Cranshaws Manse, Cranshaws, Berwickshire

Robert died in 1914. From Wills & Testaments on SP (he died intestate):

Robert Bridges SMITH    - 25/09/1914 REV. PARISH OF CRANSHAWS, COUNTY OF BERWICK, D. 14/07/1914 AT CRANSHAWS - DUNS SHERIFF COURT INVENTORIES - Ref SC60/41/49

Monica

PS: Some info here on Crawnshaws www.bordersfhs.org.uk/cranshaws.asp
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