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Re: Townrow
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 10 July 16 21:37 BST (UK) »
In 1841, Benjamin T is still in Newark;

Benjamin Townrow age 65 cornfactor
Catherine Townrow age 40
Henry Townrow age 3
Catherine Townrow age 5  (all born in county)

There is this burial at Newark
1833 09 12   Elizabeth   TOWNROW    age 54   abode Newark   

then this marriage at Newark
1834 03 13   Benjamin   TOWNROW     and Catherine   GODLEY   

with this baptism subsequently
1838 01 13      Henry son of Benjamin   TOWNROW    and Catherine      Cornfactor      NEWARK St Mary Magdalene   

So it seems that Benjamin was widowed and then married the (much younger) Catherine, with whom he had a son called Henry.

If his first son called Henry (bapt 1808) was still alive, how likely is it that he would call this much younger child by the same name?

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Re: Townrow
« Reply #19 on: Monday 11 July 16 14:28 BST (UK) »
"I am open to the fact that my findings are either correct or incorrect - there is also a third scenario where both of us are incorrect but I need to find out the truth one way or the other."

I think you are both incorrect,  all the above posts come to the conclusion that YOUR Henry was born Edingley (Headingley)Graves Lane as pointed out by Clare. Headenley (1861 census, family mistranscribed as Townson)

Marriage Farnsfield, St Michael
1-12-1794 Thomas Townrow and Elizabeth Bucklow.
 
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Re: Townrow
« Reply #20 on: Monday 11 July 16 14:51 BST (UK) »
Newspaper report: 13 Sept 1833:

(Deaths) on the 9th. Elizabeth, wife of Mr Benjamin Townrow, corn merchant, Chair-lane, Newark, age 54

(simply added to back up my theory 2 posts above)
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Leic)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Townrow
« Reply #21 on: Monday 11 July 16 16:24 BST (UK) »
I would put other trees aside and work from the known to the unknown, also bearing in mind that unfamiliar names can be recorded in the most incomprehensible way to modern eyes and that ages can be fluid either by accident or by design.  The informant reporting a death may simply not have known the age of the deceased and taken a "best guess" approach.  Ag Labs were often only employed on a farm for a year and moved around a lot.

You know from the 1851 census that your Henry T was born in Graves Lane (a hamlet in Edingley) and from the 1861 census that he was born in Headenley.  A check of the Edingley PRs gives you Henry, son of Thomas and Elizabeth T bpt 20/2/1805.  This is your man.

At his marriage Henry was of the parish of Upton and Hannah Warsop was of the parish of Budby.

Subject to confirmation the rest of the family might then be

Phillimore - Thomas T of Cuckney mar Elizabeth Bucklow of Farnsfield 1/12/1794 Farnsfield
Children
John 17/1/1796 Norton Cuckney
Ann 24/1/1798 Kneesall
Thomas 13/4/1800 Scawby, Lincs
William 25/7/1802 Scawby, Lincs
Henry 20/2/1805 Edingley
Mary 13/4/1807 Edingley
Elizabeth 6/5/1810 Farnsfield
Sarah 25/10/1812 Farnsfield bur 1814 Farnsfield
George 15/4/1816 Farnsfield

Askham burial Thomas T 1841 b 1769

1841 Census Hayton, Notts (??two sisters in law)
Elizabeth T b 1777-1781
Elizabeth Bucklow b 1777-1781

1851 Census Askham
Elizabeth T age 78 (1773) mother born Farnsfield
William T age 46 (1805) son born Sturton, Lincs

Touching to note that Henry had a son who he called Thomas in 1841, the same year that his father Thomas died.










Derbys: Ward, Hopkinson, Bradley, Birds, Clarke, Taylor, Daykin, Gent, Vardy, Cotterill, Stocks, Godber, Dronfield, Charlesworth, Bonsall, Purseglove
Notts: Clarke, Freeman, Kitchen, Allcock, Housley, Swanwick, Berrisford, Farnsworth, Antcliffe
Staffs: Nutt, Bowring
Yorks: Holling, Fish, Kay, Hardy
Lincs: Plummer, Broughton, Wellbourne

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Re: Townrow
« Reply #22 on: Monday 11 July 16 17:06 BST (UK) »
Newspaper report: 13 Sept 1833:

(Deaths) on the 9th. Elizabeth, wife of Mr Benjamin Townrow, corn merchant, Chair-lane, Newark, age 54

(simply added to back up my theory 2 posts above)

Probably Chain Lane Annie
AREA, Nottinghamshire. Lincolnshire. Staffordshire. Leicestershire, Morayshire.
An(t)(c)liff(e).Faulkner. Mayfield. Cant. Davison. Caunt. Trigg. Rawding. Buttery. Rayworth. Pepper. Otter. Whitworth. Gray. Calder. Laing. Wright. Jackson. Taylor.
Linsey. Spicer. Corns. Judson. Greensmith. Steel. Woodford. Ellis. Wyan. Callis. Warriner. Rawlin. Merrin. Vale. Summerfield. Cartwright.
Beckett. Heald. Pilkington. Arnold. Hall. Willows. Dring. Newcomb. Hawley. Beardall. Mabbott.

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Re: Townrow
« Reply #23 on: Monday 11 July 16 17:59 BST (UK) »
Just in case this is of interest to anyone reading this thread who is connected to Benjamin Townrow

Notts Settlement Certificates 1696-1863
Townrow, Benjamin and Mary his wife SC from Langford to Newark 1773
Derbys: Ward, Hopkinson, Bradley, Birds, Clarke, Taylor, Daykin, Gent, Vardy, Cotterill, Stocks, Godber, Dronfield, Charlesworth, Bonsall, Purseglove
Notts: Clarke, Freeman, Kitchen, Allcock, Housley, Swanwick, Berrisford, Farnsworth, Antcliffe
Staffs: Nutt, Bowring
Yorks: Holling, Fish, Kay, Hardy
Lincs: Plummer, Broughton, Wellbourne

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Re: Townrow
« Reply #24 on: Monday 11 July 16 19:28 BST (UK) »
paulmh -- where did the baptism date come from?

I think it came from IGI records, it was so long ago that I'm not 100% certain
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Re: Townrow
« Reply #25 on: Monday 11 July 16 19:36 BST (UK) »
I would put other trees aside and work from the known to the unknown, also bearing in mind that unfamiliar names can be recorded in the most incomprehensible way to modern eyes and that ages can be fluid either by accident or by design.  The informant reporting a death may simply not have known the age of the deceased and taken a "best guess" approach.  Ag Labs were often only employed on a farm for a year and moved around a lot.

You know from the 1851 census that your Henry T was born in Graves Lane (a hamlet in Edingley) and from the 1861 census that he was born in Headenley.  A check of the Edingley PRs gives you Henry, son of Thomas and Elizabeth T bpt 20/2/1805.  This is your man.

At his marriage Henry was of the parish of Upton and Hannah Warsop was of the parish of Budby.

Subject to confirmation the rest of the family might then be

Phillimore - Thomas T of Cuckney mar Elizabeth Bucklow of Farnsfield 1/12/1794 Farnsfield
Children
John 17/1/1796 Norton Cuckney
Ann 24/1/1798 Kneesall
Thomas 13/4/1800 Scawby, Lincs
William 25/7/1802 Scawby, Lincs
Henry 20/2/1805 Edingley
Mary 13/4/1807 Edingley
Elizabeth 6/5/1810 Farnsfield
Sarah 25/10/1812 Farnsfield bur 1814 Farnsfield
George 15/4/1816 Farnsfield

Askham burial Thomas T 1841 b 1769

1841 Census Hayton, Notts (??two sisters in law)
Elizabeth T b 1777-1781
Elizabeth Bucklow b 1777-1781

1851 Census Askham
Elizabeth T age 78 (1773) mother born Farnsfield
William T age 46 (1805) son born Sturton, Lincs

Touching to note that Henry had a son who he called Thomas in 1841, the same year that his father Thomas died.

I suggested to my father that we do this, dismiss everything which we believe to be true and start from fresh in tracing Henry's father and ancestors. It makes me ponder what else we may have got wrong!

Thank you to all who have contributed.
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Re: Townrow
« Reply #26 on: Monday 11 July 16 19:57 BST (UK) »
paulmh

I hope you aren't too disheartened. Everyone makes mstakes at this genealogy lark  :-\ I know I've made some right hooters in the past, but coming onto this site I know there are plenty of people who are only too willing to help you get it right.

Claire :)
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