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Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY
« on: Tuesday 12 July 16 11:21 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am trying to trace the children of James WALSH and Ann DEMPSEY. The parents query married on 21 January 1868 in Kaiapoi, New Zealand. Both had lived there for 18 months.

 I have ten known children from Ann's probate. The children were born between 1868 to 1887. She was born about 1846 in Ireland, died on 9 June 1915 at Greymouth and she is buried in Karoro Cemetery.

From her probate in 1915 -
Thomas James WALSH of Seddonville sawmiller age 40 years
John Samuel WALSH of Turangaarere sawmill employee age 38 years
William Henry WALSH of Dannevirke farmer age 32 years
Richard Edmond WALSH of Turua saw doctor age 30 years
and
Annie FREEMAN wife of John Frederick Graham FREEMAN of Westport, deputy Harbour Master age 46 years
Mary LUSTY wife of William David LUSTY of Auckland journalist age 44 years
Edith OLDHAM wife of Fred William OLDHAM of Magoeri farmer age 42 years
Margaret HEWITT wife of John Edwin HEWITT of Arawia farmer age 36 years
Alice Adeline BALDWIN wife of James BALDWIN of Wellington Master Mariner age 28 years

Harriet HAMBLETON wife of Hugh Henry HAMBLETON of GREYMOUTH stated the above for her siblings and she would be aged 34 years.

I know some information on the daughters Annie, Mary and Harriet through family knowledge.

However I have no information on any of the sons and with having common names I am not sure which people of these names are my family.

I was led to believe that the father James WALSH died prior to 1895. However it is stated at Ann's probate that he deserted the family query not long after the last child was born in 1887. So I do not have a death date or death place for James WALSH.

Also the family surname is sometimes spell WALSHE.

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Helen

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Re: Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 12 July 16 19:46 BST (UK) »
Hello Helen,

Here is a little about one of the sons........

Marriage:

1915/7624   Ada Kate   Giles     Richard Edmond   Walsh

His death:

1926/3764   Walsh   Richard Edmond   40Y

Probated will:         

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21460223

[See note on website about availability from LDS]

No children found prior to the 100 year cut off date.

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 12 July 16 20:00 BST (UK) »
Death notice for Richard Edmond......


http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AS19260401.2.4&srpos=4&e=-03-1926--04-1926--10-AS%2cNZH-1----0richard+walsh--

Burial details:

[1 of 2]
Name   WALSH, RICHARD EDMOND
Details   M: Died 31-03-1926: Aged 40:
Place   Hillsborough
Location   Area 2 Block K Lot No 31
Remarks   
Information   
Officiating   
NZSG map   
Trans number   
    
[2 of 2]
Name   WALSH, RICHARD EDMOND
Details   M: Died 31-03-1926: Aged 40: Cause of death - tuberculosis: Date of burial - 1 Apr 1926
Place   Hillsborough
Location   Area 2 Block K Lot No 31
Remarks   Headstone: No
Information   Occupation - hairdresser: Residence - Auckland Infirmary, Epsom: not given: Native place - NZ: Last from 29 Ariki St, Grey Lynn: Years in NZ - 40
Officiating   Officiating Clergy - Rev Budd: Informant - J Weir

However the occupation shown here does not tie in with that previously recorded as saw doctor. Is this the same man,or an error in the cemetery records?

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 12 July 16 22:33 BST (UK) »
A little more (sorry, I'm working backwards here)........

Death:

1951/20683   Lusty   William David   82Y
         
Death:

1963/43576   Lusty   Mary    92Y

Children:

1907/10522   Lusty   Wilfred Mervyn    Mary    William David      

1909/2039   Lusty   Cecil William   Mary    William David      

1896/17270   Lusty   Lilian Constance   Mary    William David

Marriage:

1895/814   Mary   Walsh   William David   Lusty

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 12 July 16 22:35 BST (UK) »
From NZ BDM's

1868/199          Walsh    Annie            Ann   James   
1871/27608   Walsh    Mary              Ann   James   
1872/25781   Walsh    Bessie Allen    Ann   James   
1874/44434   Walsh    Thomas James    Ann   James   
1878/17188   Walsh    Margaret            Ann   James   
1880/14194   Walsh    Harriet            Ann   James   
1882/11418   Walsh    William Henry    Ann   James   
1885/15480   Walsh    Richard Edmund    Ann   James   
1887/13239   Walsh    Alice Adelina    Ann   James

A maybe
1866/9352   Walsh    Catherine Helen    Anne   James

Cheers Janette

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Re: Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 12 July 16 22:46 BST (UK) »
Son of Mary Lusty, nee Walsh......

His death:

1989/33877   Lusty   Cecil William   3 February 1909

Daughter of Mary Lusty (her marriage)

1920/6850   Lilian Constance   Lusty   Thomas Augustus   Bishop

Her death:

1968/25444   Bishop   Lilian Constance   71Y

Her probated will:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=14744210

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 12 July 16 23:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Minniehaha and Janette

Thank you for your information.
 Regarding Richard Edmond WALSH I had two people by that name. Thank you for the burial information and his cause of death as I did not know where he died. This must be the correct Richard as the address is correct even if the occupation is not. Th other Richard WALSH died in 1945 in Auckland.

Also it fits with the wife that you gave me as her address is Ariki St. Ada remarried to Albert GIBBS and died in 1933 if I have got the puzzle correct.

Thank you for the NZ BDM.
Looking for more information on Samuel John WALSH. Query he went by John but I do not know anything about him.

 All I was told that there were 10 or 12 children. Query one son lived in Matamata. I know the most about Mary LUSTY nee WALSH.

Thanks again.
Helen

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Re: Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 13 July 16 01:52 BST (UK) »
Named as John Samuel in his mother's will?...

His death?

1947/31993   Walsh   John Samuel   71Y


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Children of James WALSH(E) and Ann DEMPSEY
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 13 July 16 02:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Minniehaha

I am not sure as I did not know about him until I found his mother's will. Before that family information said she died in 1936 and was sometimes called Nancy. This source said query that there was a son John but much of the information from this source I now believe not to be the right WALSH family. It did not match with the will. So I am now starting again.

I also know that sisters Mary and Harriet kept in touch until about 1947 and I have traced Mary's children. As for the brothers of Mary I have no idea. Her sisters, I am working on tracing their marriages.

Thanks
Helen