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Offline NedSumner

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Right to bear arms?
« on: Friday 15 July 16 13:46 BST (UK) »
My great (x4) grandfather was awarded a coat of arms which said (paraphrasing) "which can be used by any of his descendants". Do I count?

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Re: Right to bear arms?
« Reply #1 on: Friday 15 July 16 13:46 BST (UK) »
Additionally, is there any cost involved in using it?

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Re: Right to bear arms?
« Reply #2 on: Friday 15 July 16 14:02 BST (UK) »
As long as you descend in the male line, then you have the right.

If this is England/Wales, then that's the end of it.
If Scotland, then the Law still applies, and you can be prosecuted for using Arms to which you are not entitled.


Quoting from The College of Arms website:
For any person to have a right to a coat of arms they must either have had it granted to them or be descended in the legitimate male line from a person to whom arms were granted or confirmed in the past.
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Re: Right to bear arms?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 23 July 16 04:55 BST (UK) »
Ned,

As K Garrad said the usual English grant states that to be lawful a user has to be descended in the legitimate male line from a person to whom arms were granted.

Not all heraldic authorities follow the same set of rules so I wonder if this grant "which said (paraphrasing) "which can be used by any of his descendants" was not made by the College of Arms in London, or by the Lyon King of Arms in Scotland, but by some other authority ?

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Re: Right to bear arms?
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 March 17 20:23 GMT (UK) »
My great (x4) grandfather was awarded a coat of arms which said (paraphrasing) "which can be used by any of his descendants". Do I count?

It would seem the Arms are also altered and registered to show that you are not the original holder anyway and Cadency, if a Cadet.

Email the issuing Government's Official Heraldry Office for Arms and Crests your (Document / Grant / Will) and they will advise.

I've come across College of Arms:-
For England
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/faqs
Hood of Selby before 1812
BURIAL PLACE of George Hood - Where?? Died Selby 18 Sept 1845.

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Re: Right to bear arms?
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 March 17 20:32 GMT (UK) »
The OP hasn't been back since the latest post here, last July?!
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