Lost Ives Children.

[Maddie]

I did think you had probably contacted Bucks CC but just thought I would mention it. Now that Thomas William in Liverpool is looking very good, well done, so if he joined the Merchant Navy did his brother Henry George also do the same. Ummm.

Out of interest do you know where Henry Snr. died, I see you have his death c1870 but I haven't been able to find it, a senior moment perhaps.

Maddie

[bucksboy]

Hi Maddie.

His death is a bit of a calculated, reasoned guess really, as the only one I could find that made sense, was one for Henry AVES, abt 1823. A/M/J-1870. R.D.Southwark.

I did a search for the children, but came up with nothing.

I contacted the Families of British Homes - British Home Child Group International on faceboook, which I think is for the search for Children sent to Canada, for child labour.  None of my lost Ives children in their files.  Very good site, indeed.

Obviously they are somewhere to be found, and perhaps I'm missing the obvious.  But so far drawn nothing......YET.

Steve.

[Maddie]

Hi Steve

Pleased to hear you were able to get info from the British Home Child site, at least you don't need to search any more in that region.

I don't think that Henry Aves death in 1870 is your man as there is a probate record for who I believe is him on Ancestry. Died 24th April at St Thomas Hospital Newington, late of Larkhall Lane Clapham, (oh boy that place bugs me, I had an ancestor die in the cop shop in Larkhall Lane. ) Henry Aves Will was proved by his brother Thomas who was an Omnibus Driver. The only death I could see for a Henry Ives was June qtr 1866 Islington aged 43 but if that is him then who was Sarah's dad.

Hey ho, keep looking.

Maddie

[bucksboy]

Yes, the death was in 'pencil', as most of this Ives mob seems to be.

Sarah Ives -1869, was the reason for the death of 1870 for her father really.

The baptism from my BucksFHS Ives baptisms PDF, just shows mothers name. (21 Aug 1870 Sarah, child of Elenor IVES of Eton Union). not father deceased, so I did assume, rightly or wrongly, that as he was dead that he didn't need to be named. It's happened before with others, that have entered the Workhouse without being baptised, then paid for by the Union.

I suppose the only way with Sarah, is the birth cert really, but funds don't allow.

Yep...the search goes on.

Steve.

[miriamkinga]

There's a marriage for an Eleanor Mary Ives in 1894 (St Olave vol 1d page 398) - possible candidates are the wonderfully named Knot Sheldron Bell or Alfred Edmund Chinn.

1901 census has a Knott S Bell with wife Eleanor M, gives her DOB as 1871 and POB as Rotherhithe.

[bucksboy]

There's a marriage for an Eleanor Mary Ives in 1894 (St Olave vol 1d page 398) - possible candidates are the wonderfully named Knot Sheldron Bell or Alfred Edmund Chinn.

1901 census has a Knott S Bell with wife Eleanor M, gives her DOB as 1871 and POB as Rotherhithe.

She appears to be daughter of John & Emily Ives.  Baptised, 29 Sept.1871 @ Rotherhithe.  Born, 4 May 1871.  Although her registration seems to be missing on Ancestry, I think it appears on FS, as Ellen Mary Ives, O/N/D - 1871. Pancras, London.
Although, finding her before 1901 is not good, but appears in 1911, born HITHE.(Rotherhithe on original image).

I had earmarked that one you found, but was never convinced about it.

Thanks very much for looking.

Steve.

[miriamkinga]

No problem Steve, wish we could get you closer to finding them 

[bucksboy]

No problem Steve, wish we could get you closer to finding them 

Yep, just have to see what pops up, if anything. But stranger things have happened.

[Bucksgirl]

Thought I would try a different angle and looked for deaths.  These 2 could be possiblities
William P IVES b1858 died Northampton 1916
Thomas W IVES b1860 died Southwark 1923
might be easier to go backwards
Jenny