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Re: how do I work out my Clarke's Irish coat of arms
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 20 July 16 10:21 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the reply,
yes some friends have the 2 marriage couples crest? on them and in the middle is the date of marriage.
thanks to all,
Regards Ricoba

What they have are 2 coats-of-arms (NB not crests!) of people whose surname matches their own.
And probably bought for a lot of money from companies whose only interest is in profits, and not in historical or heraldic facts.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: how do I work out my Clarke's Irish coat of arms
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 20 July 16 11:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the help and getting me to understand it all.
I will give it away as a bad joke now.
I must say 'tho they look beautiful on a wall.
Thanks to all,
Ricoba
Sims KENT
Hawkins GLOUS
Clarke STAFFORD
Danks WARW
Parker WARW
Godfrey M/SEX
RossWARW

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Re: how do I work out my Clarke's Irish coat of arms
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 20 July 16 11:42 BST (UK) »
If you Google coats of arms bucket shops you will get plenty of sites.

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Re: how do I work out my Clarke's Irish coat of arms
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 20 July 16 12:08 BST (UK) »
The answer to your original question is thus that none of them are likely to be the correct one.

You thus have two choices
1)  Trace your family back to an to a line that has been granted a coat of arms and then contact the appropriate college of arms.
2) Choose the prettiest one and then use it with extreme care. 
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Re: how do I work out my Clarke's Irish coat of arms
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 20 July 16 17:14 BST (UK) »
We've a family thingy on the wall, given proudly by my daughter when she was about 15.

It's so well researched that it gets the date of the Norman Invasion wrong! (goodness knows what else!)
Begg - Dublin, Limerick, Cardiff
Brady - Dublin
Breslin - Wexford, Dublin
Byrne - Wicklow
O'Hara - Wexford, Kingstown
McLoghlin - Roscommon
Lawlor - Meath, Dublin
Lynam - Meath and Renovo, Pennsylvania
Everard - Meath
Fagan - Dublin
Meyler/Myler - Wicklow
Gray - Derry, Waterford
Kavanagh - Limerick

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Re: how do I work out my Clarke's Irish coat of arms
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 21 July 16 02:14 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all your replies, there is a stand in shopping centre with samples and they look great.
I did ask about my Ross side and he kept on about being from Scotland.
I have researched them back to 1300's and they were all in Wiltshire!
Back to the drawing board.
Thanks again
Ricoba
Sims KENT
Hawkins GLOUS
Clarke STAFFORD
Danks WARW
Parker WARW
Godfrey M/SEX
RossWARW

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Re: how do I work out my Clarke's Irish coat of arms
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 23 July 16 04:36 BST (UK) »
The answers here have tended to refer to English laws/rules of heraldry whilst overlooking that the question relates to Irish heraldry, which like Welsh heraldry, had developed some rules of its own which predate the imposition of English rule.
Just as it is acceptable for a Scots clansman to display his Clan chief's Crest, or badge, (but not the Chief's Arms) so the Irish have the concept of Sept arms.
To quote from the Wikipedia entry on Irish Heraldry :
A distinctive feature of Irish heraldry is acceptance of the idea of sept arms, which belong to descendants, not necessarily of a determinate individual, but of an Irish sept, the chieftain of which, under Irish law, was not necessarily a son of the previous chieftain but could be any member of the sept whose grandfather had held the position of chieftain (tanistry). A member of the particular sept has the right to display the arms of that sept, a right that on the contrary does not belong to people of the same surname who belong to a different sept. For example, a person from the O'Kelly sept of Ui Máine may display the arms of that sept, but a Kelly of the Meath or Kilkenny septs cannot.

... the Irish Genealogical Office (previously known as the Office of Arms) "holds that any member of a sept may display the arms of that sept (as distinct from personally 'bearing' the arms, as on stationery, silver, or other such use, [for] only the grantee and his descendants may 'bear' the arms)".
If I understand this correctly it is acceptable for you to display the Sept arms of the two individuals linked in a marriage provided that these are the arms of the correct septs to which they belonged but you may not claim or use these as your own personal Arms.
To explore this further refer to the Chief Herald of Ireland.

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Re: how do I work out my Clarke's Irish coat of arms
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 23 July 16 06:19 BST (UK) »
thanks for the reply.
I will explore all the info when I have time for it to sink in
thanks
Ricoba
Sims KENT
Hawkins GLOUS
Clarke STAFFORD
Danks WARW
Parker WARW
Godfrey M/SEX
RossWARW