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James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool
« on: Thursday 21 July 16 12:28 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I am trying to find out more information about the ancestry of the following James Gordon, who appears to have been a hide and tallow merchant in Liverpool and possibly also Manchester. I believe he was a director of a company called James Gordon and Co. I would be willing to share more research about the wider Gordon family to those who have relevant info.

James Gordon was born About 1811 in Manchester and died in 1894.  He married 1st Mary Emily Carter on Sep. 29, 1860. Mary Emily was born About 1831 in Liverpool, England and died on an unknown date. He married 2nd Anne Barnsley Shaw. Anne Barnsley was born in 1831 and died in 1855.
 
Children of James Gordon and Mary Emily Gordon [Carter]
 
i. Mary Louisa Gordon was born on Aug. 15, 1861 and died on May 5, 1941.
ii. John Houghton Gordon was born About 1865 in Seaforth, Lancashire and died on Apr. 28, 1945 in England.
iii. William Henry Gordon was born on Mar. 6, 1866 in Seaforth, Lancashire and died on an unknown date.
iv. Emily Blanche Gordon was born in 1867 and died on an unknown date.
v. Frances Adeline Gordon was born in 1869 and died on an unknown date.
vi. George Francis Carter Gordon was born on Oct. 23, 1876 in Liverpool, England and died on Nov. 20, 1937 in Whittlesford, Cambridgeshire.
vii. Florence Cordelia Gordon died on an unknown date.
viii. Edith Jessie Gordon died on an unknown date.


Children of James Gordon and Anne Barnsley Gordon [Shaw]
 
ix. Elizabeth Anne Gordon was born in 1852 and died on an unknown date.
x. James Edgar Gordon was born in 1854 and died on an unknown date.

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Re: James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 21 July 16 12:58 BST (UK) »
Mary seems to have been James second wife

Marriage: 29 Sep 1860 St Helen, Sefton, Lancashire, England
James Gordon - Full, Broker, Widower, Seaforth
Mary Emily Carter - Full, Spinster, Seaforth
    Groom's Father: James Gordon, Merchant
    Bride's Father: John Wilson Carter, Accountant
    Witness: James Gordon; Eliza Carter; G. B. Reece; James Gray
    Married by Licence by: Robert O. Carter, curate of Holy Trinity, Coventry

Edit
sorry just realised from the rest of your post that you listed the wife in the wrong order

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1851
Surname   Forename(s)   Surname   Forename(s)   Church / Register Office   Registers At   Reference
GORDON   James   SHAW   Annie   Liverpool, St. Bride With St. Saviour   Liverpool

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Re: James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 July 16 13:04 BST (UK) »
There seems to be a bit of a muddle about the dates, as suggested by lancsann's post.

Also assuming the dates are correct for Mary (bn 1831), she was about 45 when she had her 6th child and then she had two more?  Not impossible, but a bit unlikely.

Have you found the family on 1861-1891 censuses to check ages and that James didn't marry for a third time?
Perrins - Manchester and Staffs
Honan - Manchester and Ireland
Hogg - Manchester 19 cent
Anderson - Newcastle mid 19 cent
Boullen - London then Carlisle then Manchester
Comer - Manchester and Galway

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Re: James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 July 16 13:07 BST (UK) »
You don't have Eleanor Jane Alexandra Gordon on your list of children - registered 1863 with mother's maiden name of Carter (LancashireBMD) and she appears on the 1871 census entry, aged 8.

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Re: James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 July 16 13:15 BST (UK) »
Children Edith and Florence were born about 1875 and 1873 respectively, so were older than baby George.  All born Crosby,L'pool.  According to 1881 census.  Family were living at  Kenmore, Gt Crosby in 1881
Perrins - Manchester and Staffs
Honan - Manchester and Ireland
Hogg - Manchester 19 cent
Anderson - Newcastle mid 19 cent
Boullen - London then Carlisle then Manchester
Comer - Manchester and Galway

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Re: James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 July 16 13:23 BST (UK) »
St Bride, Liverpool - 18 December 1851
James Gordon, 36, bachelor, Merchant of Percy Street.  Father:  James, Merchant
Annie Barnsley Shaw, 20, spinster of Islington.  Father:  Richard, Cotton Broker

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Re: James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 July 16 13:26 BST (UK) »
interestingly Elizabeth Anne Gordon seems to have married the brother of James 2nd wife

Name:   Elizabeth Anne Gordon
Gender:   Female
Age:   20
Birth Year:   abt 1853
Event Type:   Marriage
Event Date:   30 Jan 1873
Parish:   Sefton, Lancashire, England
Spouse:   John Francis Carter
Spouse Age:   Full Age
Father:   James Gordon
Spouse Father:   John Wilson Carter

there also seems to be a Houghton connection (cf John Houghton Gordon) as one of the witnesses was a F A Houghton

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Re: James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 July 16 13:27 BST (UK) »
1851 census

22 Percy Street, Liverpool

Elizabeth Gordon 67 widow annuitant Liverpool
James do, son, unm 41 Hide Broker Manchester
Jane do, daur, unm 38, Manchester
John do, son, unm 35 Hide Broker, Manchester
+ 2 servants
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Re: James Gordon, Hide and Tallow Merchant, Liverpool
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 July 16 13:28 BST (UK) »
Children Edith and Florence were born about 1875 and 1873 respectively, so were older than baby George.  All born Crosby,L'pool.  According to 1881 census.  Family were living at  Kenmore, Gt Crosby in 1881
     Crosby was in the West Derby   registration District.
Nursall   ~    Buckinghamshire
Avies ~   Norwich