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Re: Robert Mitchell Forfarshire about 1809
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 23 July 16 07:44 BST (UK) »
Do Tassie marriage and death certificates show father/parent's names at the time Robert married and died?

(Linc site not working for me atm so have given up  ::))

Robert was 57 when he married Ann? Was he married before?

No, Ruskie. They have only scant details about the couple. OP has the certificate of marriage and death of Robert and I have seen them digitised online too.
Nothing to reveal really.

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Re: Robert Mitchell Forfarshire about 1809
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 23 July 16 07:53 BST (UK) »
It is worth looking for an account of his trial(s) in the Scottish papers. They sometimes give additional details.

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Re: Robert Mitchell Forfarshire about 1809
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 23 July 16 10:49 BST (UK) »
I'm a tad lost.  ???

How did you come to believe that the convict and your Robert are one and the same?

Any relationship between the two Mitchell's on the Gilmore?


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Re: Robert Mitchell Forfarshire about 1809
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 23 July 16 12:48 BST (UK) »
He is just a possibility.  Robert who died 1880 was "... native of Forfarshire, Scotland, in the 71st year of his age" and the convict Robert was aged 23 in 1831 and a native of Forfarshire.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/226506506

https://stors.tas.gov.au/CON23-1-2  (M964 - M987)

I am interested in the 'pensioner' part of his death notice.  Normally in that time period this referred to a military pensioner and the precognition index does say:

Accused: Robert Mitchell, soldier, 12th Regiment of Dragoons or Royal Lancers
Victim:   Charles Mitchell, Brechin

If the convict is the same person then he would probably have been too young to be a pensioner - 12 years minimum service would put him at 11 years old when he enlisted if he was out by 1831.  Perhaps he was telling a few porkies or perhaps he enlisted after his sentence?

I think it would be worth having a look at this record on Findmypast:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5H1-RQM

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Re: Robert Mitchell Forfarshire about 1809
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 23 July 16 19:53 BST (UK) »
The soldier on the link can't be the same person - he attested 13.2.1830 and was still serving in 1850's.

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Re: Robert Mitchell Forfarshire about 1809
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 24 July 16 00:04 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone..Thanks for all your help, I am listing what I,we Know..
Robert (abt 56) and Ann (36) married at "The Manse Of St.John Church of Scotland) in Tasmania  1866 His occupation-Farmer
Ann and family are from Tyrone.Ireland..Came out in 1854 as Immagrants
Anns sister Matilda was one witness ..all signed the registrar no "X"
Robert put his name with Matilda for 100 acres paying 58 pounds....  1867
Address listed as "Summerlea" which is Longley area Sth of Hobart
Robert and Ann had three children,          John Robert                1867
                                                            Ann Christie               1868 died at 4 years
                                                            David                         1870
Robert died 1880 in his 71st year, residence Huon Rd,Longley-Pensioner- Native of Forfarshire -Scots papers please copy
Andrew Crawford (anns Dad) died 1877 - Huon Rd,Longley
Elizabeth-Anns mother died 1882 at Anns house-Huon Rd Longley
Ann died 1908 in her 78th year at he house-Huon Rd,Longley
When Matilda died, in her will she left to her family monies etc some minor land , another son was left 100 acres.
So from Say 1809-1810 till 1866 is what i"m searching
There was another mitchell on board the "Gilmore" his name was William
There were a couple of more Robert Mitchells later in 1846 in which one died about 1852 and the other was stuck on Norfolk Island
There was another who popped up in Tasmania but lived in Oatlands area well north of Hobart and died in the area

So if a convict, as we may thinking he was a Groom etc played up, tried in Perth,Scotland 1831. Age 23 years Shipped out on the "Gilmore" arriving 1832. Abt 1838 paroled/released -age abt 30 years
So have 26 years still missing in Tasmania

Or could he have been a dragoon instead say from his late 20's onwards
I found last night a ceremonial photo with a soldier on a horse with a sword dressed in red given to me years ago and they said heres your GG Grandfather but i fobbed it off..

Cheers


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Re: Robert Mitchell Forfarshire about 1809
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 24 July 16 00:58 BST (UK) »

So have 26 years still missing in Tasmania

Or could he have been a dragoon instead say from his late 20's onwards
I found last night a ceremonial photo with a soldier on a horse with a sword dressed in red given to me years ago and they said heres your GG Grandfather but i fobbed it off..

Cheers



I wonder whether you could post the image for us to see.
There may be some skilled enough to pick up clues from the uniform etc.

Here are a couple of links describing men who are "pensioners " of two different kinds at that time in Tasmania.

http://stors.tas.gov.au/store/exlibris1/storage/STORS/2012/06/14/file_7/au-7-0095-02507_1.pdf

(maybe use Ctrl. F to locate "pensioner" paragraph in pdf)

http://www.linc.tas.gov.au/family-history/Pages/Military.aspx

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Re: Robert Mitchell Forfarshire about 1809
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 24 July 16 02:43 BST (UK) »

Not the MITCHELL family, but might be useful to your research - CRAWFORD brothers James .......and Andrew? - sons of your Andrew and Ann.

Mercury 28 April 1903 p1
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12256214?
...death notice James CRAWFORD.....from home of sister Mrs MITCHELL Lower Longley  78 years

Will for James CRAWFORD d. 6 Apr 1903 Lower Longley.....beneficiaries nephews David MITCHELL and John Robert MITCHELL  of Lower Longley...

Marriage 14 Jul 1897 #289  Hobart Andrew CRAWFORD 55yrs b. Tyrone, widowed 1896, 2 children living.

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Re: Robert Mitchell Forfarshire about 1809
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 24 July 16 03:01 BST (UK) »
Hi
Thanks for that