Name change

[Carrter]

Searching  for birth    Patrick McGlame or Fleming BORN ABT.1823    MARRIED 1842 parish Ramoan Bally castle  surname McGlame    children  all baptised McGlame   although one of his children  Ellen at time of marriage  name  given is  Ellen McGlame or Fleming    while searching for his son Hugh Glasgow discovered his marriage cert. states surname  Hugh Fleming and his parents  also  Fleming.   Over the years he reverts to Hugh Fleming McGlame.    Very confused trying to find out why the change.   

[aghadowey]

Ramoan Parish registers start 1838- http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0388

You could try neighbouring parishes but it may be that no records for a baptism exist.

Earlier topic-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=752512.9

[Carrter]

Thank you Aghadowey   can you advise of any other sites besides the parish registers that may contain a birth date  for Patrick Fleming.  I have already checked  parish registers. I would be very grateful. 

[aghadowey]

A baptism record is probably the only place you would get an approximate date of birth (usually date of baptism not birth will be listed).

[Carrter]

Aww disappointed    Looks like I've come to the end of my paternal tree  but thank you Aghadowey for your help,  Since joining rootschat in such a short time I have been able to  fill in important gaps,  that I have struggled  with for several years.  Due to name change. 

                                         Cheers   

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Don’t give up just yet, you have your family tree information but we don’t know your sources or coverage so at the risk of duplicating. 
Your name is really rare and appears to have variants
McGlame, McGlamery, McGlamry, McGleam, McGleme
just like ffleming, fflemming fleming, flemming, which I leave to last with little to add
I found all sorts of possibilities to connect
1660’s  Hearth money rolls of Ulster see http://www.billmacafee.com
the headings
Record No.   No. in Barony List   County   Barony   Parish   Townland (Modern Spelling)   Townland as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Forename as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Surname as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls   Surname [Standardised]
10599   792   Antrim   Toome Lower   Portglenone   Aughnahoy   Aghnehey   And[rew]   McGlamery   McGlamery
12201   960   Antrim   Antrim Upper   Nilteen Grange   Dunadry   Dunethery   James   McGlamry   McGlamery

The Ulster Historical Foundation www.ancestryireland.com has all these McGleam and McGleme to add to their list of McGlame bmd which I wont reproduce here
http://www.ancestryireland.com birthsbaptisms
Sally Anne   McGleme      father   Neal   Antrim   
George      McGleme      father   Neal   Antrim   
John      McGleme      father   Neal   Antrim   
Robert      McGleme      father   Neal   Antrim   
Margaret   McGleme   1851   father   Patrick   Antrim
Robert      McGleme   1854   father   Patrick   Antrim
Ellen      McGleme   1856   father   Patrick   Antrim perhaps you Ellen
Patrick      McGleme   1858   father   Patrick   Antrim
Hugh      McGleme   1860   father   Patrick   Antrim
Sarah      McGleme   1864   father   Patrick   Antrim
Robert      McGleme   1874   father   Robert Antrim
http://www.ancestryireland.comMarriages
Elizabeth    McGleme   1858         Antrim   
Mary       McGleme   1860          Antrim   
http://www.ancestryireland.com birthsbaptisms
Neal      McGleam   1817   father Neal   Antrim   
Jane      McGleam   1820   father Neal   Antrim   
Mary      McGleam   1822   father Neal   Antrim   
Margaret   McGleam   1824   father Neal   Antrim   
Martha   McGleam   1825   father Neal   Antrim   
John       McGleam   1844   father Patrick   Antrim
http://www.ancestryireland.comMarriages
Patrick   McGleam   1842   father      Antrim perhaps yours
Rose   McGleam   1842   father      Antrim
Jane   McGleam   1843   father      Antrim
Mary Jane   McGleam   1868   father   Patrick   Antrim



Genes Reunited http://www.GenesReunited.co.uk show three tree holders of interest Caroline Jessi and probably Lisa. of particular interest is
Hugh       McGlame   1909   Partick Glasgow Scot...   No   Caroline
Hugh      McGlame   1885   County Antrim Northe...   No   Caroline
Mary Jane   McGlame   1869   Ballycastle County A...   No   Caroline
Catherine   McGlame   1868   Ballycastle County A...   No   Caroline
Hugh      McGlame   1865   Ballycastle County A...   No   Caroline
Sarah      McGlame   1864   Ballycastle County A...   No   Caroline
Sarah      McGlame   1864   ...               No   Jessi   
Hugh      McGlame   1860   ...               No   Jessi
Patrick      McGlame   1858   ...               No   Jessi   
Ellen              McGlame   1855   ...               No   Jessi
Robert      McGlame   1854   Ballycastle County A...   No   Caroline
Robert      McGlame   1854   ...               No   Jessi   
George      McGlamery     1853...               No   Lisa   
Margaret   McGlame   1851   ...               No   Jessi
Catherine   McGlame   1848   ...               No   Jessi   
Mary Jane   McGlame   1846   ...               No   Caroline
Mary      McGlame   1846   ...               No   Jessi
Elizabeth   McGlame   1842   Ballycastle Co. Antr...      No   Jessi
Patrick      McGlame   1830   Ballycastle County A...   No   Caroline
John      McGlame   1800   Carnmoon, Ireland ...      No   Jessi
other spellings found
Robert      McGleam   1874   Ballycastle County A...   No   Caroline

Notes You wont be able to contact the tree owners until you become a member., or perhaps you are
one of them already. The 1800 Carnmoon reference is almost definitely to the townland of that name in Ballycastle administration zone and Ramoan civil parish. Other Carnmoon exist eg in Billy parish and one in Co Down.

So within the limitations of just these records your Patrick’s father could be a John or Neal
endof pt1

[BallyaltikilliganG]

pt 2
Its easy to speculate on changes of names. Introducing a benevolent landlords name/ national hero, local hero, or a wifes name all seem to have happened. another is someone changed their religious denomination to the ire of the older family, or a younger brother in a catholic family by becoming a protestant acquired the land.  I checked irish saint names in case introduced at christening or confirmation without success.   

studying the irish census 1901 and 1911 one finds all the likely McGlame are catholics with exceptions eg the interpretation of irish church is apparently used for Church of Ireland.
1901 3 in Moneygobbin (Enagh, Antrim) Ballymoney civil parish
McGlame John b~1841 60 Male Head of Family Irish Church Co Antrim Surface Man Read - Married -Mary XXXXXX b~1841 60 Female Wife Irish Church Co Antrim
children
Mc Glame George b~1871 30 Male Son Irish Church Co Antrim Farm Labourer Read and write - Not Married -
1911 census  8 in Seacon More (Seacon, Antrim) Ballymoney civil parish
McGlame George  b~1864 Church of Ireland Antrim Agricultural Labourer m~1902
Martha XXXXX 40 Church of Ireland had 2 elderly boarders Mary Wright a Widow , Margaret Young
then I found I had missed a census entry
1901  3 in Carnmoon (Ramoan, Antrim) see 1911 census McGlame14 in Gortconny (Ramoan, Antrim)
Mc Gleam Robert 47 Roman Catholic Co Antrim Carpenter m Catherine XXXXX 50  Roman Catholic Co Antrim - children
Mc Gleam Robert 26 Roman Catholic Co Antrim Carpenter
Mc Gleam William 17 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Antrim Butcher
Mc Gleam Francis 15 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Antrim Scholar
Mc Gleam James 11 Roman Catholic Co Antrim Scholar


Long Rosetta 53 Female Visitor Roman Catholic Co Antrim Dressmaker Read and write - Not Married -
an incomplete record filed by parish only exists for 1824-1837 The Tithes Applotment books
eg http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/derrykeighan-
parish.php#.V5XA61eoc5Q
McGleme, Danl.   Townland: Chathamhall Year: 1827
eg http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/ramoan-parish.php#.V5UD9Veoc5Q http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/ramoan-parish.php#.V5UD9Veoc5Q
has no Fleming or mcglame 1833

I remain stumped by no records appearing in griffiths valuation using askaboutireland.   my favourite quick index that adds variant spelling is not searchable today ie http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php or they are under fleming perhaps.
goodluck

[Carrter]

Hi BallaltikilliganG I am in awe at the amount of information you have given. I was so perturbed at with the paternal side of family because I was kept hitting a brick wall.  I had searched on ancestry later Genes Reunited and Scotland's People. Giving up and concentrating on my Husbands fathers side of the family but since discovering rootschat recently solved the name change. I found Patrick 1842  and his children on the Parish register Ramoan  Ballycastle. I am now elated at the thought I can go back further.  Please  can you advise if I should resign up to Ancestry Ireland first or the Ulster Historic Foundation. 
                               Thank you 

[Jessi McKenna]

Hello, my 3rd great-grandmother is Elizabeth McGlame/Fleming, depending on which of her children's birth records I look at. Fleming on my 2nd great-grandmother's record. I thought, perhaps, she'd been married before, but today I found her birth record as McGlame and couldn't read the address. When I searched for the address, I found some UK based trees with a sibling known as Hugh Fleming McGlame. I've sent a message asking if the owner of the tree knows where Fleming comes from. I haven't been able to find anything father than Patrick and Jane Rodgers, the parents. Perhaps Fleming was the maternal line for Patrick? But I find it odd that there are others that flip flopped between McGlame and Fleming.

Have you found anything more on this since your original posts?