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Offline Valgenie

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Disappearing Grandfather
« on: Thursday 28 July 16 15:45 BST (UK) »
We know Grandad died in Alberta (Calgary) on July 7, 1943, but do not know where he ever lived, to whom he was married  Lillian G  (someone) and that she died in 1960, but have no idea who she was or even who placed either of them in the grave...so to speak!!!  Have sent away for the death certificate , received it, and it has very little information!  Is there any way of finding out what he died of, who registered the death etc. etc.  Help please !!!!  (We are in England)

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Re: Disappearing Grandfather
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 28 July 16 16:13 BST (UK) »
Would you like to tell us the name of grandfather, date of birth etc -  so that we can look to see what other information might be available  ???

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Re: Disappearing Grandfather
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 July 16 16:29 BST (UK) »
so sorry.....grandfather is James Milne Allan, dob October 21, 1877, Kelso, Scotland, seen on a ship's manifest on April 1921, travelling to Quebec, seen on census of 1921, then next known crossing the border for a day on November 5, 1941 from CALGARY TO Eastport, Idaho.  Then known as as deceased  (source Death Cert.) July 7, 1943.
Amazingly, there is a person (wife) ??  in the grave named Lillian G (and by coincidence his first wife was a Lilian one L  who died in England in 1958)    anyway second wife died in 1960.
Big Mystery...what had James been doing in Calgary all these years, and who was Lillian G and who knew them?  Did they have any children? 
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Re: Disappearing Grandfather
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 July 16 16:53 BST (UK) »
Have you e-mailed The City of Calgary Cemeteries to see what information they hold on the two burials

http://www.calgary.ca/CSPS/Parks/Pages/Cemeteries/Queens-Park-Cemetery.aspx

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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 July 16 17:17 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 28 July 16 17:31 BST (UK) »
Another poster with the same missing grandad -February 2012

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=579781.msg4328912#msg4328912

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Re: Disappearing Grandfather
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 28 July 16 17:34 BST (UK) »

Amazingly, there is a person (wife) ??  in the grave named Lillian G (and by coincidence his first wife was a Lilian one L who died in England in 1958)    anyway second wife died in 1960.


The banns for his marriage to Lilian in 1905 state he was a widower so it looks like wife no 3 in Canada  ??? First marriage was 1902 Barton upon Irwell RD

First wifes death
Deaths Dec 1902 
Allan    Louisa    25    Barton I.    8c   443

She was Louisa Farrimond
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Re: Disappearing Grandfather
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 28 July 16 17:56 BST (UK) »
I have found a obituary for James Milne Allan as follows from the Calgary Herald
Allan July 7 James Milne Age 65 years beloved husband of Mrs..Lillian Allan 2206 14A St.W.
Service at the " Little Chapel on the Corner" Friday at 4. Rev Henry Room officiating. Jaques Funeral Home.

Lillian died Dec. 20, 1960 she is interred with James. Burial  location is Sec A Block 10 Lot 36

Queens Park Cemetery Calgary. There is no obit for Lillian  as she died after James and unless there was other family that is often the case.

Only information they have is date of internment.

If you have a Ancestry membership check the Voters Lists you can find  his  occupation  and because the obit gives a address you should be able to track  other places he may have lived in Calgary. The Voters lists are a bit of a hit and miss.


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Re: Disappearing Grandfather
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 28 July 16 18:02 BST (UK) »
Can't transcribe the 1911 census but James and Lillian with her sister Getrude Cryer (school mistress) are living at St Mervyn Spennithorne Rd Urmston - it shows a child


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