Thomas Winter and Grandson Hiram Aston

[cardinalcanary]

Hello

I am puzzled by an entry in the 1891 census showing my great grandfather Hiram Aston as the 19 year old grandson of Thomas Winter. It is the Welsh census for Bedwelty/Tredegar.

Thomas Winter is born in Merthyr and married to Mary (who is born in Blakeney, Glos). Hiram is also born in Blakeney. The puzzle is that I have Hiram's mother as Ann Miles not Winter.

What am I missing?

Thanks

Stephen

[keyboard86]

Hi Stephen, I think the 19 year old Hiram is on the 1891 not 1881 so born c 1872 in 1881 he is with a widowed Ann Aston 42 b Ebbw Vale, Monmouthshire
Census Ref RG11/2523/80/5

Is this correct?
Keyboard86

  You have just amended the census year!

[MaureeninNY]

There's a possible marriage Jun qtr 1880 Bedwelty for Thomas WINTER and Mary Ann MILES.

Would Mary Ann be your Ann's mother?

Maureen

[cardinalcanary]

Hi keyboard86 and Maureen

Yes, I checked back and it is the 1891 census.

I am not sure an 1880 marriage date works for Mary Ann to be Hiram's grandmother but perhaps she was step-Grandmother or maybe Thomas Wnter was step grandfather.

[keyboard86]

Hi the family with Hiram aged 9 with widowed mother Ann, are this is 1861:-

Joseph ARTON ( Transcribed) 22 b East Dean
Ann 21 Monmouthshire
Albert 11 months b East Dean
Residing at Blakeney Hill, East Dean
Census Ref RG09/1756/4/5
Keyboard86

[Mabel Bagshawe]

think I have Ann Miles in East Dean in 1851 - b Llanethly, Mons   She's visiting a James family. 1841 not easily spotted yet

[giggsycat]

Hello Stephen

So could Ann Miles be the illegitimate daughter of Mary Miles?

Record_ID:   407473
Entry_Number:   
Year:   1838
Month:   Oct
Day:   4
Parents_Surname:   MILES
Child_Forenames:   Ann
Fathers_Forenames:   
Mothers_Forenames:   Mary
Mothers_Surname:   
Residence:   Monmouth Workhouse
Occupation:   
Officiating_Minister:   
Event:   Baptism
Memoranda:   illegit. Llantilio Crossenny Parish
Notes:   
Register_Reference:   
Page_Number:   
Parish_Chapel:   Monmouth
Soundex:   M420

Ann Miles married Joseph Aston in 1859.

On the 1881 Census she states born Ebbw Vale, which would tie-in with the Monmouth Workhouse Baptism. However, on her marriage she says her father is James Miles??

From: http://www.forest-of-dean.net/joomla/forum

Record_ID:   37304
Entry_Number:   285
Year:   1859
Month:   Feb
Day:   20
Grooms_Surname:   ASTON
Grooms_Forenames:   Joseph
Grooms_Age:   21
Groom_Condition:   Bachelor
Grooms_Occupation:   Collier
Grooms_Residence:   Blakeney Hill
Grooms_Fathers_Surname:   Aston
Grooms_Fathers_Forenames:   Thomas
Grooms_Fathers_Occupation:   Quarryman
Brides_Surname:   MILES
Brides_Forenames:   Ann
Brides_Age:   20
Brides_Condition:   Spinster
Brides_Occupation:   
Brides_Residence:   Blakeney Hill
Brides_Fathers_Surname:   Miles
Brides_Fathers_Forenames:   James
Brides_Fathers_Occupation:   Patten Maker [sic]
Licence_or_Banns:   Banns
Date_of_Banns:   
Signature_or_Mark:   He marks She signs
Witness_1:   Mark of John Turley
Witness_2:   Mark of Sarah Turley
Other_Witnesses:   
Officiating_Minister:   Tho[ma]s Gosselin Smythies
Event:   Marriage
Memoranda:   
Notes:   
Register_Reference:   P85/1 IN 1/4
Page_Number:   143
Parish_Chapel:   Cinderford St John
Soundex_Groom:   A235
Soundex_Bride:   M420

Giggsy

[Mabel Bagshawe]

this would be where James Miles comes in

1871

James Miles    67 - b Tredegar
Mary A Miles    49 - b Forest of Dean
Ann Miles             6 -  Newport, Mons (relationship not stated)

RG10, 5321, 24, 3

i can;t find them together before this as yet

[giggsycat]

They're a bloomin' nuisance aren't they?!

Cross-eyed Giggsy