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help with 1881 census please Edna Wilby Carter
« on: Friday 05 August 16 16:30 BST (UK) »
Hi
I am trying to find Edna wilby Carter born abt 1864 in Frostenden, Suffolk, I have found her in 1891 she is a convict in Prison for murder   :o  I can not find very much information about that    :(   but she dose get out before 1901.
I would like to find her in 1881 if any one can help I would be very greatfull.
           Kind regards Sue
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Kelly, Manchester, Yorkshire
Crook Liverpool, Bolton
Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel

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Re: help with 1881 census please Edna Wilby Carter
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 August 16 17:04 BST (UK) »
I have found her in 1891 she is a convict in Prison for murder   :o  I can not find very much information about that   

Is she the same Edna Carter (a servant) who in November 1884 was sentenced to death aged 21 for the murder of her illegitimate 2 yr old child, found in a pond at Wrentham?  Her sentence was commuted to penal servitude for life shortly afterwards.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: help with 1881 census please Edna Wilby Carter
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 August 16 17:08 BST (UK) »
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: help with 1881 census please Edna Wilby Carter
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 August 16 18:13 BST (UK) »
Hi possibly her in 1881 transcribed as Elly Carter 18 occ Dairymaid b Frostenden with a Goodenham family in Wrentham Road, Blything, she had a sister Ellen but she is elsewhere.
Census Ref RG11/1894/87/11

1871 Transcribed as Edney Carter aged 8 with parents George & Maria at The Hall, Frostenden
Census Ref RG10/1772/77/18
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Re: help with 1881 census please Edna Wilby Carter
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 August 16 09:40 BST (UK) »
oh my goodness, I did not see that coming,  :o  I do think that is the Edna I am looking for,
my be the Edna I found in 1901 is not her, would they have let her out of prison if she got life back then.
Thank you so much for this information avm22 and keyboard86 I will see if I can find the details on the national archives. I still can't believe it .
Kind regards sue
Povah Liverpool,wrexham
Kelly, Manchester, Yorkshire
Crook Liverpool, Bolton
Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel

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Re: help with 1881 census please Edna Wilby Carter
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 August 16 09:47 BST (UK) »
That will be her in 1881.  I read her employer's surname as Gooderham rather than Goodenham. The newspaper reports of her trial say that a Mr Gooderham was the natural father of her child, Frederick (born 1882) whom she was convicted of murdering in 1884.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: help with 1881 census please Edna Wilby Carter
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 August 16 11:00 BST (UK) »
Hi
 Thank you so much for your help, can you tell me what site you found the newspaper reports of her trial .
i have found a Edna Carter born Frostenden 1863 working as a house keeper in Beccles, Wangford Suffolk, in 1901 what do you think could this be her. I thought back then life meant life.
          thank you again for this help kind regards Sue
Povah Liverpool,wrexham
Kelly, Manchester, Yorkshire
Crook Liverpool, Bolton
Yeo,Barrow in Furness, Stoke Damerel

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Re: help with 1881 census please Edna Wilby Carter
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 August 16 14:05 BST (UK) »
Gale Newspaper website available online through a local library has several reports on Edna and the murder (British Library Newspapers)
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Re: help with 1881 census please Edna Wilby Carter
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 August 16 15:25 BST (UK) »
One of the Crime,Prisonsand Punishment records on FindMyPast gives a "date of liberation" for her as 5/3/95.

I DO think that's her in 1901. I also think that those are her children (the STEWARTs).

When you find her in 1911 you'll see what I mean. :)

Maureen