Dead End - Any Help?

[GerryLS]

I've hit a brick wall. I'm looking for some proof that my John Joseph Tobin born 15 May 1895 was born in Ireland. I only have his son's stories from his mother that give me this info. One son says he was from the Thurles or Clonmel area of Tipperary and another says Kilkenny. I checked all the John Tobin's born in Ireland between the end of 1894 to the end of 1895, none match.

He married Emily Curran in Glasgow in 1930 and died in 1947. I have found him on the 1939 census but I can't find any information about him before 1930.

Both his marriage and death certificates say his father was Edward Tobin (blacksmith) and his mother was Margaret Dwyer. I can't find a marriage certificate for them in Ireland or anywhere else (checked Ancestry, Family Search, Roots Ireland, Find my Past, Scotland's People and a few other sites). I can't find their death certificates for certain either. They are both listed as deceased on John's marriage certificate so before 1930. I can't find these three names together on the 1901 or 1911 Irish censuses.

He supposedly served in WW1 and was wounded and stayed in a hospital in Belgium but I can't find any service records to match him. He also was said to have twin brothers who also served and died in France. Not sure on their names, so can't find them either. The fourteen/nineteen society couldn't find a match either.

Any ideas of where I can look next? I've exhausted all the avenues I can think of.

[familyroutes]

Rootsireland has a John Tobin b. 1892 in Tipperary father Edmond backsmith.

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajohn~%20%2Bsurname%3Atobin~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Atipperary~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1891-1892~
   
John Tobin
England and Wales Census, 1911
Name   John Tobin
Event Type   Census
Event Date   1911
County   Overseas Military

residence:   1911   , Jullundur Punjab India, Overseas Military,
Age   36
Birthplace   St Marys Clonmel Ireland, County Tipperary
Record Type   Institution

[GerryLS]

Yeah, I've just spent the past month researching that family as I was sure that could be the right one, but I got the 1939 Scotland census which lists his birthdate, given by himself rather that the rough estimate from his marriage and death certificates.

Also the mother's name is off, it's Margaret Usher, well the actual name is Margaret Maher on the BC but I think it's a transcription error. It's utterly confusing, but I've looked carefully into it and I don't think it's him due to this new info.

[Cas (stallc)]

John   Tobin
Age   20
Birth 1894
Tipperary, Ireland
Service number   11012
Regiment   Royal Irish Regiment
Unit / Battalion   3rd Battalion
Year   1914
Series description WO 363 - First World War service records 'burnt documents'
Archive Copyright The National Archives

Have you checked out the above, gives address as Clonmell.  There is also another same name with a different service number but think he transferred and it is the same one.

Cas

[familyroutes]

Familysearch record

John Joseph Tobin
United Kingdom, World War I Service Records
Name   John Joseph Tobin
Event Type   Military Service
Event Year   1918
Age   27
Military Company/Regiment   Royal Irish Fusiliers
Military Regiment   29618
Military Battalion   3rd Battalion
Birth Year (Estimated)   1891
Birthplace   , , Ireland

[heywood]

Gerry,

It's best to post a link to your previous thread even though now you are looking for a different man.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=753489.0

Otherwise, you might have to constantly be explaining re any wrong information.

Regards
Heywood

[Cas (stallc)]

Here is the other but think the same person.

John Tobin
Age   25
Birth 1894
Tipperary, Ireland
Service number   92648
Regiment   King's (Liverpool) Regiment
Unit / Battalion   2nd Garrison Battalion
Year   1919
Series description WO 363 - First World War service records 'burnt documents'
Archive Copyright The National Archives

[familyroutes]

The record of the 1892 birth gives John's father's occupation as blacksmith....

[GerryLS]

I've been through the military records on Ancestry and Find my Past and I think I've ruled them all out either due to age, or one joined in the US which I'm pretty sure my John never lived in. I'll check them again.

Thanks heywood, didn't think of that.

familyroutes - I know, it seemed so possible because of the blacksmith thing, it follows Edmond on every record, but I cannot connect the Margaret Usher/Maher to my Margaret Dwyer. It looks like she remarried after Edmond's death, but to a Corbett not a Dwyer. And the birthdate. I really tried to make it work.