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Clifton in omoy 1840'
« on: Friday 12 August 16 20:42 BST (UK) »
Hi i have discoverers the certain death into shanghai office Frances Augusta Clifton nee de Yrujo. Myers query issues here obituary has her in omoy in 1840'this is unusual because I have her in 1841 census without letters address to her. How would a single woman get too omoy. She married Samuel Clifton in Hong Kong in1851'any pointers please
valentine.fairhurst,hayes,hammond,codling,rust.norfolk.deyrujo.jutsum.wharton.lacey,probert,prickett,preby atherley-jones.clifton ..london /china. judd, eubank , dixon , hine , airey ,park .twentyman , dampier , jones in suffolk , limby , derrick , stockwell..

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China . Frances augusta Clifton death 1905 . Shanghai
« Reply #1 on: Friday 25 November 16 06:53 GMT (UK) »
I found my great great aunt death in Shanghai in 1905. Fanny Augusta Clifton . She had been in China since 1840. her death notice mentioned her arrival In Omoy in 1840. I have two questions . 1. How did she get to Omoy in 1840. an dhow do I find out . and then second. Where is she buried in Shanghai.
her late husband Samuel Clifton die din England in 1872. They were identifies in China , Their family names are Limby and stockwell, and derrick. All people who live din China for many years . Thanks for any pointers . Fred.
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Re: China . Frances augusta Clifton death 1905 . Shanghai
« Reply #2 on: Friday 25 November 16 18:02 GMT (UK) »
You have 20+ previous threads on these two - perhaps you could get the mods to combine them so that we can see what has already been found?
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: China . Frances augusta Clifton death 1905 . Shanghai
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 26 November 16 06:33 GMT (UK) »
Hi Shaun , True comments BUT  i did specify two questions,I dont need any other inffomation .
It was#1 how did she get to Omoy 1840 and  #2where she was buried. If the moderators want to do as you suggested i am very happy to have them do it. thank fred
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Re: China . Frances augusta Clifton death 1905 . Shanghai
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 26 November 16 06:42 GMT (UK) »
From some previous research, Western cemeteries that once exisited in large Chinese cities do no longer exist due to urban growth!  This is the case in Beijing and I can only think it would also be the case in Shanghai!  It's very sad to think that it could now be a ring road.

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NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
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Re: China . Frances augusta Clifton death 1905 . Shanghai
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 26 November 16 08:28 GMT (UK) »
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She had been in China since 1840

Didn't you find her in London in the 1841 census? Perhaps she went to China a bit later than that.

"Forgotten Souls: A Social History of the Hong Kong Cemetery" describes her as the granddaughter of Brigade Major Charles Jones of the Royal Hussars. Would he have been her guardian?

https://goo.gl/iZMfQm

UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: China . Frances augusta Clifton death 1905 . Shanghai
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 26 November 16 12:09 GMT (UK) »
In addition to far too many topics on the same family, looking for the same information again, etc. you have neglected in this new topic to tell us ALL that has already been found about Frances Augusta Clifton. Her maiden name, age, marriage date, census records, etc. would all have been useful at the start of the thread rather than people trying to find details in your previous ones.

Samuel and Fanny married 13th April 1852 in Hong Kong

You already asked when she died and where buried- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=557228

Born 1817, etc.- http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=673728

This topic only from Aug.2016-
Hi i have discoverers the certain death into shanghai office Frances Augusta Clifton nee de Yrujo. Myers query issues here obituary has her in omoy in 1840'this is unusual because I have her in 1841 census without letters address to her. How would a single woman get too omoy. She married Samuel Clifton in Hong Kong in1851'any pointers please

Just a few other threads regarding Frances and Samuel-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=213656
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=175091
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=673863
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=570806
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=531547
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=469981
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Re: China . Frances augusta Clifton death 1905 . Shanghai
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 November 16 08:01 GMT (UK) »
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A link re Shanghai Foreign Cemeteries:

http://www.shanghaiguide.org/Shanghai-Foreign-Cemeteries-2838.html

Is it possible she was taken back to HK?!  Did they have refrig ships in 1905, could of she have been taken back to England?!

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ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: China . Frances augusta Clifton death 1905 . Shanghai
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 22 December 16 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for any help.Biters
  To other replies how does one detail 50 years of geneology research in one post . i asked two specific questions .I didn't need anyone to do any research .
each time i discover something new it opens more questions . surely then we are allowed to ask for pointers which i did. for the information forwarded by some thank you .i do take note and i do then further research
.my question was plain . how and why does a single woman get to omoy China in 1840./
 i was hoping someone may have a shipping list , a residents list or a military list which they could inform me of. i don't ask for any person
to do the research.I have done the research. i just ask to pointed in right direction by people that may be better informed by me . thank you
valentine.fairhurst,hayes,hammond,codling,rust.norfolk.deyrujo.jutsum.wharton.lacey,probert,prickett,preby atherley-jones.clifton ..london /china. judd, eubank , dixon , hine , airey ,park .twentyman , dampier , jones in suffolk , limby , derrick , stockwell..