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Offline Eilleen

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a grumble about archives.
« on: Sunday 14 August 16 13:17 BST (UK) »
Hi :)

Felt I should share this,
A gentleman who has not got long to live , tried to get information on his Mother who had been in St Johns hospital from 1944 to her death in 1979.
someone checked and looked at the file's , found them ,requested £40 to release information after checking with NHS,
information is near useless , can have said papers from 2044 to 2079 in drib's and drabs,
the person looking and anyone else in authority can read these papers on his Mother, but He is not allowed , something not right somewhere.
gripe over, but be warned if papers you wish to see are in archives  , you do have to wait until you are dead to access them  ::)
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.<br />PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
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Re: a grumble about archives.
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 August 16 14:09 BST (UK) »
We often get asked by doctors or opticians   whether  there is a history of something or other  in our family.
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 August 16 14:16 BST (UK) »
Scouseboy , I expected to be shot down in flames   :)

but what you say is true .

This Gentleman when first looking for information on his Mother's hospital papers ,

was about to become a Father ,

they did not even bother to pass on information like .

your Mother had premature twins , your Mother was deaf and dumb .

just wants to make Me cry, and then rant  :)
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.<br />PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.

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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 August 16 14:21 BST (UK) »
Things changed about  25 to 30 years ago  as regards medical confidentiality, I believe.

Doctors  and specialists  could use their own discretion  30 years ago.
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 August 16 14:29 BST (UK) »
Doctors maybe , but not modern day archives.

Like I said it just seems wrong to Me that someone in an office can read these file's

 but next of kin cannot, 

I  understand if it is just some noisy person who want's to know    ::)

but not when it is the son of the deceased.
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.<br />PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 August 16 14:47 BST (UK) »
Sometimes,   the confidentiality policy can be counter-productive to the health of the family, in my experience.

And they are not consistent,   so you do not know  wheter to believe them or not.

Things were better in the good old days.
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 14 August 16 14:54 BST (UK) »
 :) :)

I am not so sure about better in the good old day's  ::)

The lady I mentioned was put there by her husband who was a doctor  ::)

never to be let out again . plus much more that I dare not mention on an open board  :o
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.<br />PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.

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« Reply #7 on: Sunday 14 August 16 15:00 BST (UK) »
.... someone checked and looked at the file's , found them ,requested £40 to release information after checking with NHS,
information is near useless , can have said papers from 2044 to 2079 in drib's and drabs,
...

What was the £40 payment for?

Just a thought .... might it be worth asking again? Perhaps you will deal with a different Archivist who is more understanding or has a different interpretation of the rules/regulations. If you have no luck, ask to speak to someone higher up - sometimes there are ways around these rules (you just need to find out what they are).

You would think that there must be some way that your friend can see his mother's hospital records, especially considering his personal circumstances.


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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 14 August 16 15:29 BST (UK) »
The £40 was payment to get permission off the NHS.

to release the hardly  nothing information allowed to be sent ,

it did not even give address she had lived at   ::)

The information sent did say there was a lot that they could not let him have until starting in 2044  ::)
EXTON, from Rutland, Stamford, Boston, Lincoln. LANES, from Coleby,to Bracebridge Lincoln.WAKEFIELD,PROUDMAN Cheshire and  Stafford.<br />PINDAR, MOORE, ,CHAMBERS mostly from Lincolnshire.
LAING from Elgin ,Scotland.
 HADDELSEY from Caistor,and Grimsby Lincolnshire.                   
 Parfitt, Le Gros ,Le Sueur, from Jersey.
Martin, from Doncaster  to whelyn garden city, London.
BINT, Worchester, in Australian mint.