HARVEY Sedgley and Kingswinford - brickwall

[Claudia Oliver]

I am trying to crack my Harvey brick wall and wondered if anyone could help or had come across information.

My Sarah Harvey born Kingswinford 1806 spent her childhood in Sewstern Lincolnshire/Leicestershire. I know this because all her siblings are born there from 1811 onwards and I have them and her parents in Sewstern on census returns. Her parents are John (b1772, Staffs?) and Elizabeth Harvey (b1769, Walsall?) are buried in Sewstern too.

They are potentially married in Sedgeley in 1802 and I have Elizabeth's maiden name as Beddall for that entry. However, I cannot entirely prove that they are the same John and Elizabeth who are parents of Sarah and neither can I find a Harvey/Beddall lineage which shows their roots in Sedgeley or Kingswinford or why they might appear in Sewstern later on although there do appear to be other Harvey's in Sewstern in early census returns though seemingly not originating in Sedgeley or Kingswinford.

John and Elizabeth die in Sewstern in 1843 and 1846 and their birth dates are backdated from their ages at death.

As I am trying to go back from Sarah this is proving frustrating! Does anyone have a specialty in these districts?

Many thanks!

Claudia

[ciderdrinker]

Hello Claudia
This is a toughy.It's on the border of Staffs and Worcs and Sedgley is an area of many small hamlets.
If they came from Gornal Wood then John would likely be a coal miner.
There are many small pits in the area and they would have gone where the work was.Sedgley does have settlement certificates but they start to late for you.It also unfortunately has many early non-conformist chapels which start really early.A tree on line has him as the son of Thomas and Mary from lower Gornal but gives no date of birth.

I can only see a baptism for a John  Harvery over the parish border at Wolverhampton 17.5.1771 to Bridges and Dorothy Harvey.
They are a cosmopolitan couple married in London 24.5.1761 at St Micheals ,both of this parish and her name Dorothy Morley.
All they children however are at Wolverhampton St Peters.
Elizabeth 5.10.1762,Sarah 20.1.1764,Ann 27.9.1765-11.1.1765,Catherine 19.3.1767.Sarah 16.6.1769,Bridges 13.1.1776 and Mary 27.4.1778.
Bridges junior is apprenticed at Coventry to Goodman and Blyfield  mercers in 1790 and is buried at Doddinghurst Essex 16.2.1849.
This fits in with a possible baptism for his father 27.4. 1737 at Warwick St Mary to Bridges and Sarah Harvey
Bridge senior may have been apprenticed to Francis Blencowe ironmonger at Brockley Northanhts in 1753.If so that would fit nicely with a Bridges Harvey ironmonger of Wolverhampton bankrupt 1764 in the Gentleman's magazine.

Here is a website which will fill you in on Sedgley
www.sedgleymanor.com

There are early rates books of Wolverhampton but they are not online and I would confirm the connection before making the trip.
Beddall is more of a Dudley ,Gornal name and I can't see anything for Walsall but it does fit nicely with the children's baptisms.
ps Walsall is saddles and leather goods.What did John do for a living?

Got a Sarah Bedall Walsall 23.7.1763 d of William and Sarah on Freereg!
Have a quick look there and see what you  think.It is quite early.Was she a spinster when she married?

Ciderdrinker

[jacquelineve]

Claudia
              These other children are baptised at Kingswinford with parents John + Elizabeth

Edward Harvey    1803
Sarah                 1806 (yours?)
Maria                  1808
John                   1811

Can I ask..how you know where John +Elizb. were born.

Jackie

[jacquelineve]

Claudia
         Can you post the 1841cens.details for John +Elizb. Harvey.please..I'm having no luck with
them.

Jackie

[Claudia Oliver]

Sewstern is mostly agricultural and farming. No mines here. They are all agricultural labourers. I am guessing there must have been someone, possibly a relative, already here since Sewstern is/was tiny and I can't understand why else it would have been a draw for them from such a distance. Sarah their daughter is in fact the only evidence for them having come from that area at all.

[Claudia Oliver]

These are my returns for part of the family as they were in the 1841 census

TOWN STREET, SEWSTERN, LINCOLNSHIRE

Name         
Clarke Harvey 30    Agricultural Labourer (son of John and Elizabeth)
Mary Harvey 30
John   5
Clarke 2
Sarah 7 months   

John Harvey 55 Agricultural Labourer
Elizabeth 65   
William 30 (son)

[jacquelineve]

Claudia
           Can you supply Sarah's details..who did she marry. In which census does she state she was
born at Kingswinford?

There's this..
Baptism John Harvey 1770 Wombourne Staffs parents-George + Hannah

Wombourne about 2/3 miles from Kingswinford

Jackie

[Claudia Oliver]

Claudia
              These other children are baptised at Kingswinford with parents John + Elizabeth

Edward Harvey    1803
Sarah                 1806 (yours?)
Maria                  1808
John                   1811

Can I ask..how you know where John +Elizb. were born.

Jackie

From recollection I think I must have found them on the old IGI site and that's it. That's where I get Sarah's mothers maiden name too. But I realise these records might not be accurate and it was years ago.

Sarah is mine.

I don't recognise any of the other children from the later Sewstern records. They first appear on the 1841 census but their children are Nicholas, Clarke, William and George.

[jacquelineve]

Found the same entries as you in 1841..but states that John + Elizabeth were born in county.

Jackie

Is it possible, that you are looking at 2 different families..both with parents John+ Elizabeth.
(I know I have many a time)