Were either of my Gt Grandparents already married?

[bettyespana]

Alexander Olley b.Hunworth 25 June 1859 -Railway platelayer .Parents:James & Elizabeth Olley nee Knowles

Martha Sarah Ellen Eliza Bunn b.Holt June 1873 - Parents:James William Bone/Bunn & Esther Hannah Bunn nee Scott

I have all the details of my Gt Grandparents  which are needed except that of their marriage.
In the past someone suggested that either both or one of them may have had a previous undissolved marriage.

They had a son James Charles William Bunn b.Newcastle 1893,Alexander James Frederick Olley b. Basford Notts 1896,Mary Hannah E Olley b.1900 Salford.

They eventually settled in Irlam,Lancs

Alexander died 1923 & Martha S.E.E died Irlam 1942.

It is strange that their first child was b.Bunn & the others were Olleys but no marriage evidence.

Note: The name Bunn was originally Bone but Martha's father changed the name to Bunn c.1880

Any help with this would be appreciated.

betty

[clairec666]

Do you have the birth certificate for the first child? Or have you found a baptism for him?

Found this on FreeBMD:

Birth of James Charles W A Bunn 1892 2nd quarter Newcastle upon Tyne
Birth of Alexander Charles J W Bunn 1893 1st quarter Newcastle upon Tyne
Could this be the same child, registered twice?
Death of James Charles W Bunn 1893 3rd quarter Newcastle upon Tyne aged 1

Likely that they married between 1892 and 1896, but I've looked at all marriages of Bunn and not found anything likely. There's no marriage of Alexander Ollley in this timescale either.

[bettyespana]

Do you have the birth certificate for the first child? Or have you found a baptism for him?

Found this on FreeBMD:

Birth of James Charles W A Bunn 1892 2nd quarter Newcastle upon Tyne
Birth of Alexander Charles J W Bunn 1893 1st quarter Newcastle upon Tyne
Could this be the same child, registered twice?
Death of James Charles W Bunn 1893 3rd quarter Newcastle upon Tyne aged 1

Likely that they married between 1892 and 1896, but I've looked at all marriages of Bunn and not found anything likely. There's no marriage of Alexander Ollley in this timescale either.

No I haven't got the birth cert of either child.
What I can tell you is that the one b.1893 was my Grandad Alexander James Frederick Olleys brother & he didn't die until 1916 when he initially was missing presumed dead.
I was more recently informed that was listed on the Al Basrah Memorial,Iraq as died 8.August 1916 Panel 31-64 Service No.2257.Private in the Manchester Regiment Ist Battalion.
I believe this Memorial has now been moved to the new Arboretum in England.
betty

[ScouseBoy]

One possibility  is that one may have been widowed.

[Ladyhawk]

What I can tell you is that the one b.1893 was my Grandad Alexander James Frederick Olleys brother & he didn't die until 1916 when he initially was missing presumed dead.

I was more recently informed that was listed on the Al Basrah Memorial,Iraq as died 8.August 1916 Panel 31-64 Service No.2257.Private in the Manchester Regiment Ist Battalion.

Listed here as
Charles  James William Bunn, husband of Minnie
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1655886/BUNN,%20CHARLES%20JAMES%20WILLIAM

ADDED

He married as Charles J W Bunn  1913 St John Irlam and Minnie remarried 1917
(See Lancashire BMD)

[bettyespana]

What I can tell you is that the one b.1893 was my Grandad Alexander James Frederick Olleys brother & he didn't die until 1916 when he initially was missing presumed dead.

I was more recently informed that was listed on the Al Basrah Memorial,Iraq as died 8.August 1916 Panel 31-64 Service No.2257.Private in the Manchester Regiment Ist Battalion.

T

Listed here as
Charles  James William Bunn, husband of Minnie
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1655886/BUNN,%20CHARLES%20JAMES%20WILLIAM

ADDED

He married as Charles J W Bunn  1913 St John Irlam and Minnie remarried 1917
(See Lancashire BMD)

Thank you Ladyhawk I have been able to download the official details of Charles J W Bunn now(he was known as William to the family .I also wasn't aware that Minnie his wife had re-married.

[bettyespana]

One possibility  is that one may have been widowed.

Maybe,I don't know.Perhaps it was Alexander as there is quite a difference in age between him & Martha.

[Rosinish]

Is it possible that father was not present for 1st childs registration i.e. couldn't have fathers surname on cert?

Annie

[Millmoor]

Hi
The marriage of Charles J W Bunn to Minnie Ashton in Irlam has a blank on the certificate for father of the groom. This might suggest that his father was not in fact Alexander Olley.

William