Were either of my Gt Grandparents already married?

[Ladyhawk]

1911 Census says they had been married for 18 years. Tellingly, their oldest is given as 19 years old.

Sorry I can't find their marriage anywhere  

The only Bunn/Olley marriages I can find are

1922 Barton I
Frank F W to Mary H E

And

1891 Erpingham
James Bunn to Mary Ann S Olley
Married 25 Jan 1891Stody, Norfolk, England

The above couple can be found on 1891 census

James   Bunn   Head   23   1868   Bricklayer
Sebrina   Bunn   Wife           25   1866   -
Ellen R   Olley    Daughter In Law   3 1888

Baptism Stody  30 Dec 1888 born 03 Mar 1888
Ellen Rose Olley to Mary Ann Sebrina, no father named

And the only marriage for a person named Alexander OLLEY I can find is this one

1880 Lexden
Alexander William Olley
To either 
Alice Sainty / Harriet Smith

1881 census shows
Alice OLLEY b1859 living with her parents James & Mary Ann SAINTY – no husband with her

1891c
Alice OLLEY mar. has 5 children,  no husband at home
children Ida F(lorence) 8, Charles A(lexander)5 , Victor L(ionel) 3 , Norman T(hornley)  2 & Dora (Jane) 0
RG12  Piece/Folio   1395/ 39 Page Number   29

and 1901
Alice OLLEY is noted as widow
her children appear to be
William (James) 20 (1881) he died 1903 age 22
Charles 15, Victor 14, Norman 12 , Dora 10, Gertrude (Ellen) 9,
Stanley (Sainty) Olley 8 (1893)
All the childrens births are reg. Lexden Essex

There's a death Maldon (Essex) 1929 for an Alice OLLEY age 70 (1859)

I can't find a birth or a death entry for an Alexander William Olley 

only these birth/death entries

1859 Erpingham Alexander Olley
and
1923 Barton upon Irwell Alexander Olley age 64 (1859)

[Millmoor]

Just to add to Ladyhawk's post - Frank F W Bunn was born in Holt while Mary H E (which would appear to stand for Hannah Easter) was the daughter of  Alexander Olley. Her baptism and marriage records are both  on Ancy.

William

[Rosinish]

It is strange that their first child was b.Bunn & the others were Olleys but no marriage evidence.

That would immediately suggest to me that he was the illegitimate son of Martha and not an Olley.

My thought too Groom (illegitimate) from Reply #7:

Is it possible that father was not present for 1st childs registration i.e. couldn't have fathers surname on cert?

Had she been married the father wouldn't have had to be present at registration.

Annie.

[bettyespana]

Martha Sarah is in Holt in 1891 - mistranscribed as "Rone"

She's listed as Sarah EE Bone, aged 18, born Holt. Parents are William J and Esther H Bone. They're in Brick Kiln Lane.
Class: RG12; Piece: 1512; Folio: 7; Page: 8

1911 Census says they had been married for 18 years. Tellingly, their oldest is given as 19 years old.

Thanks for this so she wasn't in the same place as Alexander Olley when her 1st child was born but if as it says in the 1911 that they were married 18yrs then that would be the same year 1893 when her 1st child was born in Newcastle.By 1896  Alexander JF Olley was born in Basford,Notts. & she had left Norfolk & was with Alexander Olley the father.By 1900 they had moved to Salford & Mary Hannah E Olley was born.
In the 1901c they were living at 32 Harry Street Ordsall,Salford.
By 1911 they lived at Ivy Cottage,Fiddlers Lane Irlam & stayed there for the rest of their lives.

As no marriage has been found despite lots of work by everyone looking for it I am not convinced that they did marry.If they did was it back in Norfolk or somewhere between the North East & Basford Notts where my Grandad Alexander was born ??

betty

[PrawnCocktail]

There is the (faint) possibility that the marriage just didn't get indexed at national level.

I recently had to help a friend whose relatives knew that a marriage had taken place (some of them were there!), but there was nothing in the Marriages Index. The marriage was there - I went to the Record Office and found it in the PR - but the page hadn't been indexed.

And to save everyone time, I've already had a look at Holt, and it's not there!

[bettyespana]

There is the (faint) possibility that the marriage just didn't get indexed at national level.

I recently had to help a friend whose relatives knew that a marriage had taken place (some of them were there!), but there was nothing in the Marriages Index. The marriage was there - I went to the Record Office and found it in the PR - but the page hadn't been indexed.

And to save everyone time, I've already had a look at Holt, and it's not there!

Thank you for this explanation I understand that could be a possibility now.Only thing is living in Spain I cannot access the Record Offices.
Thank you so much though for looking at the Holt records & ruling that out.I know a lot of the family of Olleys lived in Hunworth (married & buried there) maybe that could be an option.
 betty

[LizzieL]

1880 Lexden
Alexander William Olley
To either 
Alice Sainty / Harriet Smith

Alexander William Olley married Alice Sainty at Wivenhoe on 9 Sep 1880, both age 21 and both were living in Wivenhoe. Alexander was a mariner. His father was Jacob Olley - mariner, her father was James Sainty - mariner. Witnesses: Charles John Olley and Mary Ann Mudling (?)

[bettyespana]

1880 Lexden
Alexander William Olley
To either 
Alice Sainty / Harriet Smith

Hello Lizziel,

Thank you for this but this is not my Gt Grandad Alexander Olley. My Alexander Olley was  a Railway worker b.Hunworth 1859 4B65 BMD.Parents were James Olley & Elizabeth Olley nee Knowles,& as far as I am aware Alexander didn't have a second name.
At first I thought it maybe a possibility until I saw the name of his father Jacob as opposed to James. Your time & effort are appreciated

Alexander William Olley married Alice Sainty at Wivenhoe on 9 Sep 1880, both age 21 and both were living in Wivenhoe. Alexander was a mariner. His father was Jacob Olley - mariner, her father was James Sainty - mariner. Witnesses: Charles John Olley and Mary Ann Mudling (?)

[LizzieL]

I agree, two separate Alexander Olleys. As a mariner, quite likely to be away from home a lot. His father Jacob has a number of records so he is real - mercant seaman, marriage in Wivenhoe to Mahala Ellis, Found him on a couple of censuses.