Were either of my Gt Grandparents already married?

[Ladyhawk]

Hi
The marriage of Charles J W Bunn to Minnie Ashton in Irlam has a blank on the certificate for father of the groom. This might suggest that his father was not in fact Alexander Olley.

William

Good spot Millmoor - The transcription is on Lancashire OPC

10 May 1913 St John the Baptist, Irlam, Lancashire
Charles James Wm. Bunn 22, Engine Driver, Irlam
Minnie Ashton 22, Spinster, Irlam father Robert, Engine Fitter
Witnessed by  John Burnell; Amy Toole
   

[bettyespana]

Hi
The marriage of Charles J W Bunn to Minnie Ashton in Irlam has a blank on the certificate for father of the groom. This might suggest that his father was not in fact Alexander Olley.

William

Good spot Millmoor - The transcription is on Lancashire OPC

10 May 1913 St John the Baptist, Irlam, Lancashire
Charles James Wm. Bunn 22, Engine Driver, Irlam
Minnie Ashton 22, Spinster, Irlam father Robert, Engine Fitter
Witnessed by  John Burnell; Amy Toole
   

Yes I see now.St Johns Irlam is also where Alexander & Martha are buried.

[Ladyhawk]

father named on marriage of son Alexander

14 Jul 1917 St Mark, Worsley, Lancashire, England
Alexander James Frederick Olley - 21, Engineer father Alexander platelayer
17 Ivy Cottages, Fiddler's Lane, Irlam
Agnes Broadbent - 20, Spinster, father George Dec'd shoemaker
360A Worsley Rd., Winton
Witnessed by Harry Burbidge; Mary Olley

Perhaps Charles James William Bunn was born before they married 

I've been checking but have not come across a marriage for Alexander Olley & Martha Bunn 

Have you checked the 1911 census to see how many children they had
and how long they have been married?

Was just about to add the following when you posted

Yes I see now.St Johns Irlam is also where Alexander & Martha are buried.

Burial: 8 Aug 1923 St John the Baptist, Irlam,
Alexander Olley -     Age: 64
    Abode: 17 Fiddlers Lane
    Grave: NG NW next but one South Rachel Arstall Row 9
   
Burial: 20 Jun 1942 St John the Baptist, Irlam
Martha Olley -     Age: 68 yrs.
    Abode: 17 Fiddler's Lane
    Grave: Old Yd. N. near Ch. Stone

[bettyespana]

father named on marriage of son Alexander

14 Jul 1917 St Mark, Worsley, Lancashire, England
Alexander James Frederick Olley - 21, Engineer father Alexander platelayer
17 Ivy Cottages, Fiddler's Lane, Irlam
Agnes Broadbent - 20, Spinster, 3
60A Worsley Rd., Winton father George Dec'd shoemaker
Alexander Olley, Platelayer
Witnessed by Harry Burbidge; Mary Olley

Perhaps Charles James William Bunn was born before they married 

I've been checking but have not come across a marriage for Alexander Olley & Martha Bunn 

Have you checked the 1911 census to see how many children they had
and how long they have been married?

Yes these are my Grandparents & I have a copy of this certificate. They had 3 daughters of which my Mum was the middle one.Grandad Alexander deserted my Grandma Agnes when Mum was about 12yrs.
I haven't tried the 1911c.I know they lived at 17 Fiddlers Lane Irlam.
betty

[groom]

It is strange that their first child was b.Bunn & the others were Olleys but no marriage evidence.

That would immediately suggest to me that he was the illegitimate son of Martha and not an Olley.

[Ladyhawk]

County   Durham Chester Le Street
Archive reference   RG12    P   4122 F   63 P       35

Alexander OLLEY age 28 Single age born Norfolk occ Labourer
boarding at Railway Hut Pitt Hill  in 1891

Is this Alexander on 1891 census?

Where was Martha Bunn living in 1891?

[bettyespana]

County   Durham Chester Le Street
Archive reference   RG12    P   4122 F   63 P       35

Alexander OLLEY age 28 Single age born Norfolk occ Labourer
boarding at Railway Hut Pitt Hill  in 1891

Is this Alexander on 1891 census?

Where was Martha Bunn living in 1891?

Yes,that is him I have these details as posted earlier.I don't know where Martha was living at the time.I only have her in Holt on the 1881c.
betty

[bettyespana]

father named on marriage of son Alexander

14 Jul 1917 St Mark, Worsley, Lancashire, England
Alexander James Frederick Olley - 21, Engineer father Alexander platelayer
17 Ivy Cottages, Fiddler's Lane, Irlam
Agnes Broadbent - 20, Spinster, 3
60A Worsley Rd., Winton father George Dec'd shoemaker
Alexander Olley, Platelayer
Witnessed by Harry Burbidge; Mary Olley

Perhaps Charles James William Bunn was born before they married 

I've been checking but have not come across a marriage for Alexander Olley & Martha Bunn 

Have you checked the 1911 census to see how many children they had
and how long they have been married?

Yes these are my Grandparents & I have a copy of this certificate. They had 3 daughters of which my Mum was the middle one.Grandad Alexander deserted my Grandma Agnes when Mum was about 12yrs.
I haven't tried the 1911c.I know they lived at 17 Fiddlers Lane Irlam.
betty

Just been trying to get into the 1911c & can't get any info.

[PrawnCocktail]

Martha Sarah is in Holt in 1891 - mistranscribed as "Rone"

She's listed as Sarah EE Bone, aged 18, born Holt. Parents are William J and Esther H Bone. They're in Brick Kiln Lane.
Class: RG12; Piece: 1512; Folio: 7; Page: 8

1911 Census says they had been married for 18 years. Tellingly, their oldest is given as 19 years old.