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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 25 September 16 19:54 BST (UK) »
Perhaps, a bit too early for me to chip this in, but this might be Robert Hood's father?

Found this earlier in the newspaper ... Robert Hood, D. D., from Brampton, who apparently died early 1780s. Late Minister of the Chapel in Hanover Square, Newcastle upon Tyne.

Hanover Square Chapel
A Descriptive and Historical Account of the Town and County of Newcastle upon Tyne, Including the Borough of Gateshead.
by E. Mackenzie
p.370
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CPsVAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA385&lpg=PA385&dq=newcastle+upon+tyne+and+Gateshead+presbyterian+%22Hanover+Square+chapel%22&source=bl&ots=ZSHeMt1uS9&sig=1DLOmBP4OoNOUwTn9Uckx9bK5sE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi0spHvlqvPAhWLKsAKHdmRBLcQ6AEIITAD

Family Search ...
Presbyterian births and baptisms, Newcastle upon Tyne : Association Congregation of the Close, 1752-1837, indexed : Hanover Square Chapel, 1752-1859, indexed : Clavering Place Chapel, 1802-1837, indexed


Brampton Presbyterian Church, Cumberland
Records 1712 - 1950, Catalogue Reference DFCP 1, at the Cumbria Archive Centre, Carlisle


Thank you for the inputs so far, I'm wondering if my George Hood is linked to John Hood, Mariner and with links to the Hood Newcastle Presbyterians?

It would certainly explain no George Hood Selby Parish burial!

Kind regards Mark

EDIT: Robert Hood the Minister appears to have arrived in Newcastle 1780, to replace Samuel Lowthion.
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #19 on: Monday 26 September 16 00:51 BST (UK) »
Hello All

My 4 X times Gt. Grandfather George Hood, appears in the Selby Land Tax records in 1812 and married Sarah Russel at Selby 18 July 1815 (Marriage Intention and Bond to the Selby Peculiar Court dated 16 May 1815), giving his age as 28 years and Occupation as Cooper in all Marriage documents.

George Hood lives at Selby, becoming a Retail Brewer by about 1826 and has a Tannery at Selby by about 1830 and dies at Selby 18 September 1845, age given as 60 years on Death Certificate. His Selby Will bundle confirms his death date, mentions Wren Lane and Gowthorpe and that he was a Brewer and Tanner.

There is NO Baptism entry in the Selby Parish Register for George Hood and NO Selby burial record either.

There is also no record of any Selby burial for four of his adult children and nor his Widow Sarah Hood who died 11 Gowthorpe, Selby, on 28 November 1879 aged 86, in the Selby Parish Register, nor in the Selby Council Cemetery either (opened 1858).

My George Hood, is not the same George Hood of Morpeth, Northumberland, nor the Army George Hood who died at Leeds, earlier in September 1845.

1863 South Bishopwearmouth / Sunderland
However, when James and Sarah Hood of Selby, had their son James Alfred Hood on 25 September 1863, they gave their address as 34 Blandford Street, Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland, but were back at Selby for the birth of their next child.

James Hood (father of James Alfred Hood) was one of five sons of my mysterious 4 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood who married at Selby in July 1815.

1st Oct 1786 Gateshead, Baptism - Geo: Son of John Hood
The above George Hood Marriage and Death documents confirm a birth circa 1785 to 1787 for George Hood, making the Gateshead Baptism Geo: S. of John Hood, an ideal suggestion, but I have absolutely no document to link this George Hood of Gateshead to the appearance of George Hood of Selby.

1787 Whitehead's Newcastle Directory, printed by T. Angus
Alphabetical List of the People in Trade, &c. in GATESHEAD, COUNTY OF DURHAM.
Hood John, publican, Ship, South-shore

John Hood of Gateshead was the Publican of the "Ship" in the 1787 Directory (later known as The Ship Inn), but for how long is unclear?

Brief Summary of Research on other Hoods in Gateshead and Newcastle

1787 Directory also lists:-
Anthony Hood, fitter, office, Broad chair.
Robert Hood, Spirit-dealer, north fide [side], Sandhill.

1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle to Sunderland
BNA online - Newcastle Courant 7 October 1786 - Robert Hood from Newcastle wishes to acquaint his friends and the public, that he has entered upon the King's Head Inn, SUNDERLAND.

1791 The Universal British Directory of Trade, Commerce, and Manufacture
Newcastle, re Anthony Hood, fitter ...
Anthony Hood,
Fitter of Simpsons - Pontop,
Tanfield-moor,
Blaydon-main,
Longbenton,
South-moor,
Whitefield,
Ryton-moor, and
Marly-hill, Coals.

Sounds like Anthony Hood of Newcastle, was a firm with contracts to the coal mining industry.

Scroll back to pages 35 & 36 for Rob. Hood and Anthony Hood ...
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4QwHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA39&lpg=PA39&dq=%22Simpson+and+Blackett%22&source=bl&ots=yd7-ZBDUMN&sig=3ZNB25fTZJsnaUE1MqlcE7JJAqY&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjIq4Od4s_OAhXMJsAKHeqQD0sQ6AEIGzAA

1799 Anthony Hood of Newcastle
NC council - Archaeology 2005
"George Wray, brick maker on South Shore, also owned a rope-walk (HER 5650; Fig 12) in 1771 (op cit,  p 78). This may be the same as that established by Stoddart and Co. in 1795 at Saltmeadows (HER 4366: Fig 12) and soon owned solely by a former partner Anthony Hood. In 1799 Hood introduced a rope-making machine, patented by William Chapman in 1798. This technological innovation eventually superceded the earlier rope-walks and marked the beginning of the growth of ropemaking in Gateshead (op cit, p 78)."

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Looking for any document please, regarding John Hood of Gateshead and son George, to fill the gaps and/or to see if the George Hood 1786 baptism at St Mary's Gateshead, links to my George Hood of Selby, who appears in the Selby Land Tax in 1812?

I am also wondering if John Hood, Publican of the Ship, continued to renew his Victuallers Licence at Gateshead, or elsewhere in the Newcastle area?

Thank you.

Kind regards, Mark

Think about it !

Satement 1

The above George Hood Marriage and Death documents confirm a birth circa 1785 to 1787 for George Hood, making the Gateshead Baptism Geo: S. of John Hood, an ideal suggestion, but I have absolutely no document to link this George Hood of Gateshead to the appearance of George Hood of Selby.


Statement 2


It can't also be said there are absolutely no documents of elimination to prove that Geo Hood son of John 1786 was not George Hood who died 1845 Selby .

Statement 3

Baptism Geo Hood son of John 1786 Gateshead, with no infant burial of Geo, there are absolutely no documents to say who he was after his baptism - just a beginning of a life.
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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 26 September 16 08:27 BST (UK) »
I can't assume anything really, especially as there was a reference to a John Hood, Mariner at Selby, Yorkshire, where I definitely know that Selby, was where my 4 X Gt. Grandfather George Hood was from.

There are two other births at least (possibly three), for the age of 60 years [58 years calculated from George Hood's age given at Marriage], when George Hood died 18th September 1845.

There is even another George Hood bapt/birth giving 1st October 1786.

I can't rule out a Borders / Scottish connection either.

See the images for:-
19th May 1786 of Grange, Rhynd, Perthshire
01st Oct  1786 Monymusk, Aberdeenshire
24th Oct  1787 Brockholes, Coldingham, Berwickshire

Regards Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #21 on: Monday 26 September 16 09:22 BST (UK) »
Have you tried to do some eliminating of the above 3 baptisms by looking for marriages or burials and other indicators like types of categories like occupations or class status or wealth of the families studied.

It doubtful a businessman from a far, would take on such a specialised bankrupt business without the skills of that trade himself, having to depend on the workmen's unknown skills and history of the mens personalities of reliabilities at work or their healths without prior local knowledge or family knowledge. Its possible the business went bust if the main customer was dropping off orders being the main reason the cooper business went to the wall - meaning the cooper business running operatations were ok bearing in mind R Gibson was advertising for a skilled copper 7 years before in 1800.

Maybe time to do a bit recapping ! as there has been a mega lot of associated George Hood info that has been put on Rootchat over the last 12 months  :-\

I'll leave you with it but its been fun.  :)
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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #22 on: Monday 26 September 16 11:55 BST (UK) »

I know no burials have been found for George and his wife Sarah, could you list the names and dates of his children you have no burials for.

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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #23 on: Monday 26 September 16 12:15 BST (UK) »

I know no burials have been found for George and his wife Sarah, could you list the names and dates of his children you have no burials for.

Thanks


All deaths GRO Selby district

George Hood died "at Selby" 18 September 1845,

wife Sarah Hood 1879 death


Richard Hood, Grocer, died of Consumption Certified [pulmonary TB], Market Place, Selby 2 May 1850, aged 23 yrs (newspapers 23/ 24 yrs);
 Sarah Hood, died of Phthisis, Wren Lane, Selby 22 September 1853, aged 18 years;
 Mary Hood, died of Phthisis, Wren Lane, Selby 24 November 1854, aged 34 years;
 Ellen Hood, died of Phthisis, Wren Lane, Selby 27 July 1855, aged 23 years.

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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #24 on: Monday 26 September 16 12:25 BST (UK) »
Thank you All,

Also been looking at the writing style of 'George' and 'Hood' in the Coldingham, Berwickshire Register entry and the writing looks a bit similar in places, to George Hood's signature (top left of my posts) in the Selby Deed, although George Hood's Marriage Allegation and Bond Signatures are more circular on the stick of the 'd'. Perhaps the Coldingham Clerk was a Teacher.

Although the 1841 Census for George Hood suggests a Yorkshire birthplace, we also suspect a possible Selby Mariner connection (connection not proven), but both an elderly John Hood (82 yrs in Apr 1819), Jane wife of John Hood of Selby Mariner (65 yrs in Aug 1803) and also my George Hood lived at Selby.

I'm having to keep an open mind, but Gateshead Durham and Newcastle are of great interest too.

I posted in the relevant Scottish Counties (with two specific questions) to see if I can rule out any of these Scottish ones.

Thanks, Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #25 on: Monday 26 September 16 12:56 BST (UK) »
I think that I would be inclined to look for the marriages of the parents named in these 3 baptisms to see if there are occupations mentioned - this is the era of the Dade-type registers.  ;)

John Hood and Alison Fife
William Hood and Agnes Lamb - unlikely as he is said to be a Gardener
John Hood and Christian Donaldson



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Re: George Son of John Hood bapt Gateshead 1st Oct 1786, any info please?
« Reply #26 on: Monday 26 September 16 16:24 BST (UK) »
Hello All

Thanks dobfarm for those emails, getting the feeling that there were Hoods in most Yorks Parishes. Thinking of going to Newcastle (or pay Archives to do a few checks), but feeling cynical.

George Hood, is simply a 'loose cannon' rolling around in Selby, who has left no clue, in anything found so far. Something makes us believe C of E and yet also non-conformist. Perhaps, he changed religion, like the weather.

All a Big Mystery

George Hood died "at Selby" 18 September 1845 aged 60 yrs, Tanner & Brewer. Three newspapers Yorkshire Gazette; York Herald and The Leeds Intelligencer (say 63 yrs).
However 28 years old in 1815 (Marriage), so likely 58 to 59 years (in his 60th year).

Sarah Hood "Widow of George HOOD Tanner", died 11 Gowthorpe, Selby 28 November 1879, aged 86 yrs, baptised at Selby.

Their adult children:-
Richard Hood Grocer, died Market Place, Selby 2 May 1850, aged 23 yrs (Sheffield and Rotherham Independent; York Herald; Hull Advertiser; Hull Packet; Leeds Mercury and Leeds Intelligencer - newspapers 23/ 24 yrs)
Sarah Hood died Selby 22 September 1853, aged 18 years;
Mary Hood died Selby 24 November 1854, aged 34 years;
Ellen Hood died Selby 27 July 1855, aged 23 years.

Regarding Parish Churchyards, it would seem even when closed, if one parent was buried in the churchyard, the spouse and unmarried adult children could be buried there too.

Died before 1851 Census
No Child baptisms with a Desent
No suggestion in Marriage Allegation and Bond, only that George Hood appeared to be from the Peculiar jurisdiction of Selby and Chester Newby of the same place, Miller, was Bondsman.
No Brewing Excise Applications survive for 1820s WYAS (George Hood became a Retail Brewer about 1825/1826)
No Apprenticeship found to date
Not Registered at Coopers Hall
No Overseer of the Poor records for 1838, the year George Hood was elected
No accident at George Hood's Tannery or Brewery premises, or apparent business dispute in newspapers.
No Court dispute found to date involving George Hood Sen'r being in dispute, giving his father.
No suggestion of George's origin in property Deed Registrations
No request for place of burial in Probate Bundle
Hood sons were Admitted to Manor of Selby (late Thomas Gouldsbrough's Copyhold property), no help in Gouldsbrough's Will, seems the Hood sons settled the late Gouldsbrough's Mortgage and paid the widow, what had already been paid off mortgage.
No Gibson Bankruptcy File and Bankruptcy Registers leave no hint, even who the Creditors were.

A Mr Hood apparently in Selby Land Tax from at least 1781, likely to be John Hood as he appears as an Occupier when a house of John Spencer in Millgate was sold in 1802.

James Cockin, Witness at the Selby July 1815 Marriage. James Cockin name seems to be Thorne, to Doncaster area. Cockin at Luddington Lincs, Blacktoft etc., see the Jane Cockin thread, Signature on original Marriage reads James Cockin.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747759.0

What we know is that George Hood left up to 1500 in 1845, plus some property at Gowthorpe and Wren Lane, Selby (Tannery - Gowthorpe with Engine House and three dwellings, yards and workshops, Malt Kilns at Gowthorpe and Wren Lane), with dwelling and Yard Wren Lane.

G. H. had also acquired a substantial amount of property in Ousegate in 1838, mostly transferred immediately from George Hood to James Collinson (suggesting George Hood provided the money as a Mortgagor and James Collinson was Mortgagee) and which William Hood (his Son) was a Trustee on Collinson's Will (possibly until a repayment was satisfied) and was still a Trustee when William Hood the Trustee later ordered that Widow Collinson's Ousegate properties be sold. When it seems, they passed to another Collinson. James Collinson's Will, only seems to refer to William Hood as a Trustee, but its a long Will.

Jonathan Hutchinson features in G.H. Will and a John Adams seems to be mentioned when widow Sarah Hood offers the Tannery for sale.

Thanks for all your efforts, from you Rootschat stalwarts.

Regards Mark

September 1845 Yorkshire Burial Registers checked ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=742806.234
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.