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John King of Harwell
« on: Monday 22 August 16 17:21 BST (UK) »
I have a John King died in 1777 in Harwell. His two marriages imply that his property was substantial:
Oxford Journal 16 December 1769 - On Saturday last was married at Harwell Berks, Mr John King Jun a very eminent Farmer of that Place, to Miss Corderoy of Blewberry, an agreeable young Lady with every personal Accomplishment, and a handsome Fortune. After the nuptual Ceremony, the happy Pair with Bride Maids and proper Attendants made a most splendid Procession to the Father's House, where an elegant Dinner was prepared for all the people of Distinction in the Neighbourhood; and at the same Time, the Public Houses in the Parish were opened for the Entertainment of Persons of inferior Rank. - After Dinner, every 'Consilation' to the new married Couple went joyfully round, with many other Toasts suitable to the Occasion; The rest of the Day was spent with Music, Singing, Dancing, Bells Ringing, and every other Demonstration of joy and Festivity. On this happy Occasion, the Face of the whole Village appeared cheerful and gay, and every Heart seemed transported with Ecstasy, too great for Expression. True English Hospitality was displayed in the utmost Perfection, and the Whole was conducted with due Order and Decorum, properly tempered with that good Humour which is the principal Constituent of rural Felicity, the real Characteristic of Love and Innocence.
Reading Mercury January 1774 - Tuesday was married at Harwell in this county, Mr John King, junior, a considerable Farmer, to Miss Turner, both of the same place, an agreeable young lady with a handsome fortune and possessed of every accomplishment that can make the marriage state happy.

Can anyone tell me if he left a will and if so where a copy can be obtained?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: John King of Harwell
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 August 16 00:56 BST (UK) »
The reason for wanting to find a will is that in 1791 John's widow had a son William Tyrrell King. The father was William Tyrrell. I'm trying to find a reason why William Tyrrell and Mary King didn't marry.
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Re: John King of Harwell
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 August 16 04:43 BST (UK) »
Hi antiqueone,

Are you sure that the Mary King who gave birth to  William Tyrrell in 1791, (father is also a William Tyrrell)   is/was the w/o  John King. My reason for this is that in Harwell, there is a Mary King bapt. 15-1-1773 baseborn  d/o Sarah Belcher. No other info supplied.
Also there are quite a few "King" families in Harwell  and I'm just wondering if there is cross connection along the line somewhere.

Alan
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Re: John King of Harwell
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 August 16 09:03 BST (UK) »
I think I have the correct Mary King as William Tyrrell's will seems to confirm it:
I William Tyrrell
of Harwell in the County of Berks Yeoman
being of sound and disposing mind memory
and understanding praised be God for the same
do make publish and declare this my last
Will and Testament in manner following
That is to say I give and devise unto my Friend
Francis Hopkins of Harwell aforesaid Gentleman
all and every my freehold leasehold and
copyhold or customary lands Tenements and
hereditaments whatsoever and wheresoever
with their and every of their appurtenances
To hold the same unto and to the use of
the said Francis Hopkins his heirs Executors
Administrators and Assigns respectively according
to the nature of the tenure thereof but
never the less upon the following trusts (that is to
say) As to for said concerning a piece or parcel
of copyhold or customary arable land being in
one piece in the Upper Field of Harwell aforesaid
containing about three acres and three roods
with its appurtenances In Trust for my brother
Richard Tyrrell and his Assigns for and during the
term of his natural life and as to all the rest
and residue of the said devised premises In
trust for my sister Elizabeth the Wife of William
Webb of Harwell aforesaid yeoman and her
assigns for and during the Term of her natural
life and as well as to the said three acres
and three Roods of Copyhold Arable land with
its appurtenances from and immediately after
the decease of my said brother Richard as to the
rest and residue of the said devised premises
from and immediately after the death of my
said Sister Elizabeth In Trust for my reputed son
William Tyrrell King (Son of Mary King of Harwell
aforesaid widow) his heirs Executors
Administrators and Assigns but in Case the
said William Tyrrell King shall happen to die
under the Age of twenty one years then in trust
for all and every my brothers and sisters that
shall be living at the time of my decease their
heirs Executors Administrators and Assigns as
tenants in common and not as joint Tenants
and as to all my ready money debts owing
money in the publick stocks or funds Goods Chattels
personel Estate and Effects whatsoever and
wheresoever and of what nature or kind soever
(after payin out of my just debts funeral and
testamentary expenses) I give and bequeath the
same and every part thereof unto the said

Francis Hopkins his Executors and Administrators
nut nevertheless upon Trust that he or they do
and shall lay out and invest so much thereof
as shall not at the time of my death be
already invested in Government Stocks or funds
or upon real Securities at Interest and stand
and be possessed of the same Stocks funds
and Securities as well as those whereof shall
be possessed at the Time of my decease upon
Trust for my said Son William Tyrrell King
and to be Assigned transferred and made over
to him at his Age of twenty one Years
and the Interest dividends and annual
produce thereof or so much thereof as my
said Trustee shall think necessary I direct shall
during the minority of my said Son be applied
for his maintenance and Education or for
placing him out to any Trade or Business and
the residue if any invested in such Stocks funds
and Securities as afore said to accumulate and
in Case the said William Tyrrell King shall
happen to die under the Age of twenty one
years and without leaving any issue living
at the time of his decease then in Trust to
assign transfer and make over the said Stocks
funds and Securities and all Accumulations
thereof unto and amongst all and every my
brothers and Sisters who shall be living at the
time of my death his her and their respective
Executors and Administrators if more than one
in equal shares and proportions And I do hereby
declare that the said Francis Hopkins his heirs
Executors and Administrators and Assigns respectively
shall be charged and chargeable only with
and for such monies as he or they shall
actually receive by virtue of the Trusts aforesaid
and shall not be answerable or accountable
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Re: John King of Harwell
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 August 16 10:44 BST (UK) »
 
Interesting. It looks to me that his son  William Tyrrell could be the father of the William Tyrrell King
born to Mary King.

I see John King was buried along with his daughter Mary the same day 27-12-1777 Harwell.

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Re: John King of Harwell
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 August 16 15:54 BST (UK) »
I'm a bit confused here.

You mentioned 2 Marriages for John King, one 1769, then he died 1777?

Marriage;
9 Dec 1769, St Matthew, Harwell
John KING, Bachelor***, Yeoman, of Harwell Parish
Mary CORDEROY, Spinster of Blewberry Parish
(FreeREG)

MARY Corderoy was Christened 1 July 1745, Blewberry, Berkshire to ROBERT/ELIZTH

So she would be 46 when William Tyrell King was born, not impossible but unlikely in my opinion.

When William Tyrell King married 1817 Harwell to Jemima King he was of Farnborough


Does the second Marriage you mention to Mary TURNER 4 January 1774 Harwell have him as a Widower?
Do you have a Burial for 1st Mary King nee Corderoy?


If so, then if it is the same John King and he married twice the second Mary may be of an age to have William Tyrell King 1791

As Allan said there are a lot of Kings around in Harwell.

Trish :)
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Re: John King of Harwell
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 August 16 16:04 BST (UK) »
The second marriage was to Mary Turner. Mary Corderoy was John's first wife.
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Re: John King of Harwell
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 August 16 16:06 BST (UK) »
maybe it was a condition of John King's will that his widow would lose her inheritance if she remarried.
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Re: John King of Harwell
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 25 August 16 16:07 BST (UK) »
Does the second Marriage have him as a Widower?
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