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Cutter "Hero" 1875 abandoned near Waitara 22 July 1875
« on: Tuesday 23 August 16 02:10 BST (UK) »
Can anybody help?

The cutter "Hero" was owned by John Atkinson Walker, Kaipara, Mill Manager; Charles Watson, Auckland, Mariner and Alfred Barnes, Onehunga, Agent.
On 6 July 1875 it left the Kaipara with a cargo of 19,800 feet of sawn timber and 6,500 shingles consigned to Messrs Webster Bros, Waitara.  The crew were as follows:
Captain Robert Dobel (also spelt Dobell and Noble)
George Gordon (Steward)
Edward Terry (Seaman)
Alfred Hunt (17 year old boy - sole survivor)
The crew abandoned ship with 3 crew drowning.  The cutter was towed into Mokau and was later sold at auction on 28 September 1875 to new owners.
A newspaper report on Paperspast and also in the book "Shipwrecks on and off the Taranaki Coast by Margaret de Jardine c 1984 mentiones the following:
"At the end of July one of the bodies was washed ashore at Mokau and was buried in the sand high up on the beach (I understand from Ian Whittaker, Tainui Historical Museum that this body was located in recent times and reburied in the Mokau cemetery?)  A few days later the two remaining bodies were found at Mokau and Constable Lethbridge was  sent out from Waitara to bury them.  One was an elderly man (Captain Dobell, and the other a young man with several tattoo marks".

Captain Dobel left behind a wife (Maria) and 7 children according to newspaper reports.

I have checked the NZDIA death index but can't find the crew members listed in the index.

Can anybody assist with details of where they might have been buried?
What happened to 17 year old Alfred Hunt?

Thanks
WNW

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Re: Cutter "Hero" 1875 abandoned near Waitara 22 July 1875
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 05:32 BST (UK) »
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Cutter "Hero" 1875 abandoned near Waitara 22 July 1875
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 05:38 BST (UK) »
Cemetery records........

Name   HUNT, ALFRED CHARLTON
Details   M: Died 07-12-1935: Aged 75:
Place   Hillsborough
Location   Area 2 Block F Lot No 392
Remarks   transcribed inscription reads "In loving memory of Alfred C Hunt died 7 Dec 1935 aged 75 yrs Also his beloved wife Bridget Ann died 10 Dec 1946 in her 82nd yr."
Information   
Officiating   
NZSG map   
Trans number   
    
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Name   HUNT, ALFRED CHARLTON
Details   M: Died 07-12-1935: Aged 75: Date of burial - 9 Dec 1935
Place   Hillsborough
Location   Area 2 Block F Lot No 392
Remarks   Headstone: Yes
Information   Occuptation - engineer: Residence - 4 Curran St, Ponsonby: Native place - Kawhia:
Officiating   Officiating Clergy - Rev Averill: Informant - H J Fraser
NZSG map   A1 R8
Trans number   177


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Cutter "Hero" 1875 abandoned near Waitara 22 July 1875
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 05:40 BST (UK) »
There is a snippet in the Auckland Star 30 July 1875, Page 2, suggesting public subscription for the destitute family of Captain Dobel.

paperspast.natlib.govt.nz

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Re: Cutter "Hero" 1875 abandoned near Waitara 22 July 1875
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 06:00 BST (UK) »
More on Alfred Hunt.........

Marriage:

1885/231   Bridget   Dinnen   Alfred Charlton   Hunt


Their children:

1889/4220   Hunt   Stanley Charlton   Bridget   Alfred Charlton   -   

1894/4552   Hunt   Agustine Hinemoa   Bridget Ann   Alfred Chartson   -   

1885/9665   Hunt   Alfred William Thomas   Bridget   Alfred Charlton   -   

1896/15894   Hunt   Horace Nivard   Bridget   Alfred Charlton   -   

1887/3335   Hunt   Violet Stanislans   Bridget   Alfred Charlton


Minniehaha.      
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Cutter "Hero" 1875 abandoned near Waitara 22 July 1875
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 06:03 BST (UK) »
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Cutter "Hero" 1875 abandoned near Waitara 22 July 1875
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 09:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks Minniehaha and Crowsfeet for your postings.

Sad that Maria Dobel was left to bring up 7 children on her own.

Thanks
WNW

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Re: Cutter "Hero" 1875 abandoned near Waitara 22 July 1875
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 16:12 BST (UK) »
["I have checked the NZDIA death index but can't find the crew members listed in the index".]

The reason being it appears the bodies were not formally identified. If indeed that was even possible. At least one was found and buried by local Maori.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18750802.2.16.3?query=hero%20bodies

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18750803.2.15.12?query=hero%20bodies

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Cutter "Hero" 1875 abandoned near Waitara 22 July 1875
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 August 16 19:37 BST (UK) »
Marriage:

1861/2234   Maria   Conway   Robert   Doble


Their 7 children:

1863/7555   Dobel   Robert   Maria   Robert

1875/7621   Doble   Frederick William   Maria   Robert      
1866/9700   Doble   Charles William   Maria   Robert
1870/15027   Doble   Edward Albert   Maria   Robert
1868/13834   Doble   Alfred Ernest   Maria   Robert
1872/16314   Doble   Annie Louisa   Maria   Robert
1865/24919   Doble   Margaret   Maria   Robert

The correct spelling of the surname would appear to be DOBLE........

Minniehaha      
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.