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Re: Mary Lambert birth info
« Reply #9 on: Friday 26 August 16 13:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks Trish, you have been very busy on my behalf.

How interesting that my Mum's ancestors may have been Carters as well as my Dads (but in completely different parts of the country).

Lots of leads to work through.

Thanks again.

Stephen (Carter)
Carter - Chilbolton, Hampshire
Clarke - Berkhamstead, Herts, Crowle, Lincolnshire
Gosden - Chertsey, Addlestone, Shalford, Wonersh
Aston (Ashton) - Blakeney, Gloucs
Elias - Wales
Miles - Llanelli, Breconshire or Monmouthshire
Howard - Horsell, Woking, Surrey
Sarchet and Le Lechure - Guernsey
Duckham - Plymouth, Devon
Stanyon - Rutland
Cannon - East London, Bethnal Green
Cannons - West Tytherley, Hampshire

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Re: Mary Lambert birth info
« Reply #10 on: Friday 26 August 16 13:59 BST (UK) »
Your welcome Stephen :)
Any queries just add to this thread.
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Re: Mary Lambert birth info
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 27 August 16 11:34 BST (UK) »
Here is the marriage of William Lambard and Rose Sanders

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ib9/

and the marriage bond of John Cannon and Mary

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01iba/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ibb/

Hi Yokel

I have not really come across marriage bonds before. What were they for?

Thanks

Stephen
Carter - Chilbolton, Hampshire
Clarke - Berkhamstead, Herts, Crowle, Lincolnshire
Gosden - Chertsey, Addlestone, Shalford, Wonersh
Aston (Ashton) - Blakeney, Gloucs
Elias - Wales
Miles - Llanelli, Breconshire or Monmouthshire
Howard - Horsell, Woking, Surrey
Sarchet and Le Lechure - Guernsey
Duckham - Plymouth, Devon
Stanyon - Rutland
Cannon - East London, Bethnal Green
Cannons - West Tytherley, Hampshire

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Re: Mary Lambert birth info
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 27 August 16 20:04 BST (UK) »

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Re: Mary Lambert birth info
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 28 August 16 08:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Yokel

Not a cop out at all. Very useful info and good for future reference.

Now I know what bonds, allegations and licences are, I can hazard a guess as to the why.

If John Cannon's shoemaker business in Whitechapel was booming, I can't imagine that he could afford the time to travel backwards and forwards to Norfolk for three weekends in a row to hear the banns read.

Now to find out if John originated in Norfolk and how he ended up marrying a girl from a tiny village a long way from where he lived in East London.
Carter - Chilbolton, Hampshire
Clarke - Berkhamstead, Herts, Crowle, Lincolnshire
Gosden - Chertsey, Addlestone, Shalford, Wonersh
Aston (Ashton) - Blakeney, Gloucs
Elias - Wales
Miles - Llanelli, Breconshire or Monmouthshire
Howard - Horsell, Woking, Surrey
Sarchet and Le Lechure - Guernsey
Duckham - Plymouth, Devon
Stanyon - Rutland
Cannon - East London, Bethnal Green
Cannons - West Tytherley, Hampshire

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Re: Mary Lambert birth info
« Reply #14 on: Monday 29 August 16 07:57 BST (UK) »
Here's a puzzle. My John Cannon lived in Whitechapel in the 1841 census and was 50 years old at the time. That would make his birth 1791.

John Cannon of Whitechapel married Mary Lambird in Shouldham Thorpe in 1809. That makes him 18 when he married.

The bond paperwork claims that he is 21 and upwards. He was risking a lot of money that he probably didn't have by lying on the affa davit.

Another point of interest is that the witness to the Bond and the marriage was Francis Corsten. Francis Corsten seems to witness on everyone's marriage in Shouldham Thorpe at that time whether by Banns or Licence.

I wonder what was going on here.
Carter - Chilbolton, Hampshire
Clarke - Berkhamstead, Herts, Crowle, Lincolnshire
Gosden - Chertsey, Addlestone, Shalford, Wonersh
Aston (Ashton) - Blakeney, Gloucs
Elias - Wales
Miles - Llanelli, Breconshire or Monmouthshire
Howard - Horsell, Woking, Surrey
Sarchet and Le Lechure - Guernsey
Duckham - Plymouth, Devon
Stanyon - Rutland
Cannon - East London, Bethnal Green
Cannons - West Tytherley, Hampshire

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Re: Mary Lambert birth info
« Reply #15 on: Monday 29 August 16 14:11 BST (UK) »
Hi again :)
I think ages were rounded  to the nearest 5 years in the 1841 census so that gives 5 years scope from 1791

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Re: Mary Lambert birth info
« Reply #16 on: Monday 29 August 16 15:26 BST (UK) »
Do you have John Cannons Death Cert?
It should have a more accurate age for him.
( I see one 1845 age 55, but the address is different from the 1841 Census with John/Rosanna/Benjamin on it)


Also do you have all of his Childrens Christenings?
Naming patterns may give you a better idea of possible names of his Parents.

As You say Francis Corsen witnesses a lot of Marriages Shouldham Thorpe. He may be a Parish Clerk.

A there are no other Cannon Marriages 10yrs either side of John Shouldham so I would say he is not of that Parish originally.
But he may be from elsewhere in Norfolk.


You may have to search out John Cannons on Familysearch.Org
I looked for John Cannon, Birth 1787-1891, England and there appear to be about 12.
Not all would be on there of course.

Try looking them up in Census to see if they appear to have stayed where they were born.
Eg the one born 1791 Barking, Essex, seems to be there in 1841

A labourius task but one that might be the answer.

Trish :)
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Re: Mary Lambert birth info
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 30 August 16 07:30 BST (UK) »
Hi again :)
I think ages were rounded  to the nearest 5 years in the 1841 census so that gives 5 years scope from 1791

Thanks Vinpip

So I could be looking at a 1786 to 1788 birth date if the 21+ age on the marriage bond is correct.

Carter - Chilbolton, Hampshire
Clarke - Berkhamstead, Herts, Crowle, Lincolnshire
Gosden - Chertsey, Addlestone, Shalford, Wonersh
Aston (Ashton) - Blakeney, Gloucs
Elias - Wales
Miles - Llanelli, Breconshire or Monmouthshire
Howard - Horsell, Woking, Surrey
Sarchet and Le Lechure - Guernsey
Duckham - Plymouth, Devon
Stanyon - Rutland
Cannon - East London, Bethnal Green
Cannons - West Tytherley, Hampshire