Campbells and McDrummonds- same interchangeable surname?

[lanarman]

I am jumping over to the Stirling board here as my research has led to wondering if my ancestor- Alexander Drummond- was actually a Campbell by birth, and in Stirling.

I have copied this from another board (hope I have permission to do this):

"This may be a possibility linking Campbells and Drummonds in my family. I was searching for an Alexander Drummond marriage and came across this one:

June 6, 1755 Alexander Drummond to Catherine Cameron in Stirling, Stirlingshire. It appears that this same marriage was entered (banns on June 6?) on July 5, 1755 in Logie parish, Perthshire which I believe is just a couple of miles away from the town of Stirling, Stirlingshire.

In the same Stirling batch number there was an Isobel Campbell or McDrummond marriage to an Alexander McIntosh on July 20, 1754. I can only guess that she was a sister of Alexander Drummond who married a year later but the ironic part is that she is named as "Campbell or McDrummond".

Is this evidence to prove that my Alex. Drummond also went by Campbell in Glasgow? If I could find a daughter named Mary born to Alex. Drummond and Catherine Cameron, it would help."

[Rosinish]

Related thread

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=754771.msg6044099#msg6044099

Annie

[GR2]

Perhaps she was a widow. Married women in Scotland never "lose" their maiden name. If a Jean Smith marries a John Murray, her name will appear in legal documents as "Jean Smith or Murray".

[lanarman]

That makes far more sense- she was probably a widow giving her maiden and married names when she remarried. Thanks for the insight, GR2.

Back to the children of Alexander Drummond and Catherine Cameron: I can find one daughter named Agnes born 1758 at St. Ninian's, Stirling.  No other children seem to appear in the 2 more prominent websites- SP and FS. Is there any other way I can find other possible children- if any existed? Write the parish church?

[Forfarian]

Back to the children of Alexander Drummond and Catherine Cameron: I can find one daughter named Agnes born 1758 at St. Ninian's, Stirling.  No other children seem to appear in the 2 more prominent websites- SP and FS. Is there any other way I can find other possible children- if any existed? Write the parish church?

No point in writing to any Church of Scotland for information about anyone born or married before 1855. The reason for this is that all the surviving registers of the Church of Scotland were collected together in Edinburgh in 1855 at the start of statutory civil registration. These registers are the basis of the pre-1855 information on Scotland's People.

As for FS, it contains only indexes to the actual records, not original documents.

See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0

If the people you are looking for in the 1750s/1760s are not in SP there is very little chance of finding them. Lots of baptisms were simply not recorded, and of those that were, some of the records were lost. There is a chance that there might be something in the St Ninians Kirk Session records - occasionally a Session Clerk notes a baptism or marriage there rather than in the parish register. The KS records will be coming online next year, or so I gather.

Did your Alexander Drummond own any land or houses? If so, he could be mentioned in the Registers of Sasines. The Sasines before 1780 have been indexed, and some counties' indexes were published, but I am not sure if there is an index for Stirlingshire as I have never looked for it. See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=26232.0

[lanarman]

I don't now if he owned land or a home. But the Sasines might be worth a try. Also- could it still be possible that Drummond belonged to a non established church? Nothing turned up in the R. Catholic parish records on SP, either, but then there were a few other churches at that time?

[Forfarian]

there were a few other churches at that time?

One or two. See http://website.lineone.net/~davghalgh/churchhistory.html

[lanarman]

This is tying in to my other thread on the Lanarkshire board so I will conclude my comments now. A search in a non established church is probably in order- I presume I have to write to other church archives in Scotland.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755083.0

[Scottish Janealogy]

A search in a non established church is probably in order- I presume I have to write to other church archives in Scotland.

Records of some churches in various denominations are with the National Records of Scotland - see http://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/church-records - this is also a good introduction to the whole topic. Others are held in local archives - see Stirling for example http://my.stirling.gov.uk/services/community-life-and-leisure/libraries-and-archives/archives/archives-catalogue/church-reccords  Still others are in various places or lost. As far as I know there are no baptism records for another Presbyterian denomination in St Ninians as early as the 1750s/60s

Have you looked at Catherine Drummond's baptism, 1758, on ScotlandsPeople? You may find clues there as baptism entries sometimes note that the child was baptised in another denomination.

Hope this helps.